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This week, producer Ross Putnam started a Twitter account called "femscriptintros
", where he puts up examples of how women are introduced in the screenplays he's read. And nearly all of sound like terrible porn or are too concerned with emphasizing said lady is beautiful despite whatever traits she may have. Here's a Take Two podcast made today where he talks about it.
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Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:45:51 AM
“Our primal desires.”
This has really got to stop being framed as “men just want to be men” when it concerns really messed up stuff like exposing oneself to coworkers.
Oh, bother.
Yeah, last time I checked, I'm a heterosexual man, and I don't feel any "primal desire" to expose my genitals to female coworkers or send dick pics to their phones.
Edited by M84 on Oct 20th 2018 at 12:37:00 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
It should also be noted that Whitney Cummings, the lead actress/co-creator of this series, was also the brain behind 2 Broke Girls which came under attack for racism during its run.
Now Lee Daniels might be able to keep her in check but then again he also signed off on that episode of Empire where Cookie, a black woman, dressed up as a gorilla.
So not only is the premise questionable, the people behind it are also not the best.
Edited by windleopard on Oct 19th 2018 at 10:00:52 AM
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Hooooo boy. My initial response: do not want.
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They're probably hoping the controversial nature of the show brings in tons of viewers ,and it would not surprise me at all if it winds up being very short lived once the controversial aspect of the show wears off after one episode,or two.
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I already can tell this is going to rip into the Me Too culture and try to pass it off as satire or whatever.
No mas.
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
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Wait. La llorona is getting a movie? Wow. Is a Mexican legend but we have versions of it here in Peru too.
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I'm always wondering how La.Llorona kills, like, she's not really super human in most versions. She's creepy and tragic (Depending Of The Writer) but not really lethal in most versions that I have read.
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She drowns you.
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In the same river where she lost her children
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Ooh, is the Peruvian version any different? I read about the Mexican one as a kid.
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Though I do hear that the film is being directed by a latino man, so maybe it won't be as tone deaf as we think.
Edited by windleopard on Oct 19th 2018 at 3:46:27 AM
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La llorona is pretty much a myth shared in almost if.not all Latin America. She's mostly mexican, but she's almost a Pan-Latino symbol.
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DC Comics' Batwoman actually had a story arc where the villain was La Llornoa, a ghost plagues Gotham's Latino community by kidnapping its children and drowning them with her tears in improbable locations. Turns out that La Llornoa is the spirit of an illegal immigrant whose children drowned when playing in a condemned boathouse and was deported after she tried to report their deaths, presumably committing suicide in grief afterwards.
Isn't that based on a real legend? I remember something similar from Grimm.
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Yeah, La Llorona is a famous ghost story like the Headless Horseman or Bloody Mary. No real origin date or associted event. There are a thousand variations and orgins, from rural farm girl to La Malinche, but the basic things are all the same. A women who drowned her children when her husband abandoned her, cursed to wander the Earth until she finds their souls. She targets unattended children and will drown them if she gets them. Can be found crying along roads near bodies of water.
Please.
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My, my, why is this the first time I'm hearing such a fascinating story?
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You never watched either Supernatural (where the legend is used in the very first episode) or Grimm (which had an excellent Halloween episode built around her)?
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And then you've got vanishing hitchhikers like Resurrection Mary
I'm waiting on someone to adapt that particular ghost story to the silver screen,it doesn't have to be horror themed either since she's not malicious
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Additionally, La Llorona the song was featured in the climax of Coco, though the song is a bit more ambiguous about whether it’s about the mythical figure.
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That's probably why. Never saw either.
Edited by erazor0707 on Oct 20th 2018 at 12:30:03 PM
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
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One thing that I wonder is if fair calling WW being "White feminist". I see the term used a lot, especially for SJ blogs to mock WW. Especially for the casting of Gal Gadot and she being from Israel.
Opinions, guys?
Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 20th 2018 at 2:45:25 PM
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The link from the last page: A #MeToo comedy
I don't even know where to start with this. God, someone shut this down, please.
Edited by Zanthype on Oct 19th 2018 at 9:21:57 AM
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