A thread for discussing representation and diversity in all kinds of media. This covers creators and casting decisions as well as characters and in-universe discussions.
Historical works and decisions are in-scope as well, not just recent news.
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This week, producer Ross Putnam started a Twitter account called "femscriptintros
", where he puts up examples of how women are introduced in the screenplays he's read. And nearly all of sound like terrible porn or are too concerned with emphasizing said lady is beautiful despite whatever traits she may have. Here's a Take Two podcast made today where he talks about it.
(Edited April 19 2024 to add mod pinned post)
Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:45:51 AM
One thing that Disney live actions seem obssessed with is to "fix" things people found "bad" in the original movie. Like how people were asking why in Beauty And The Beast did the witch punish the servants in the mansion if they were innocent of what the prince did (which real answer should have being, who cares? Is a fairy tale) thus Disney puts the explanation that they apparently did nothing to "stop" the prince or some stupid thing like that.
So likely people either complain that Lilo frustrating Nani's career in surfing/marine biology was "bad" and/or that "why didn't Nani just found someone else to take care of Lilo so she can go to college" or something like that so they "address it" this time.
As Lindsay Ellis once put it, is like the writers of these remakes read the Headscratchers page in TV Tropes of the movie before making the script.
Edited by TVGuy on Jun 1st 2025 at 5:25:37 AM
Is that bad to have an ending that tries to get closer to real life logic? (As it was logic to have a blue alien running around), if the characters can manage to have a tutor for Lilo and keeps the family together (with a click of distance thanks to the Internet) in real life... the ending seems to be fair...
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I mean, I can get the idea, otherwise they only thing would be to see a shot by shot remake and that isnt as atractive.
Issue is some people just like the story as it is. other time is hard to fix something without breaking other thing and so own.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Personally I much prefer not to have a remake at all. I was happy that they were failing because I thought Disney would stop, but now L&S succeeded so they are going to keep doing them. The message they recieve is only "do not change much we will go to see it" which is the wrong message. But is tiring, people really consume these things as long as is similar to the original movie. Which is a mindset I don't get.
If a remake is done for me the best is to make changes and doing something new even if loyal to the spirit of the original, which some example IMO being The Thing, Scarface, The Fly and The Mummy. I 100% can enjoy both versions but even often the remake is objectively the best.
But Disney is not good at this either. They made a lot of changes in Mulan for example and most suck. And they are so culturally oblivious that is amazing, like the part were Mulan's mom tells her not to use publically the Chi because she can be "accused of being a witch" when witches are an important part of Chinese culture and religion acting as priestesses and shamans, it actually would bring her prestige and wealth to be one. But of course, the movie was written by Western Christians.
I realized there are so very few blind voice actors. The only one I know of is Trixie's va from Fairly Oddparents. Which is so sad. Having blind actors perform blind characters could be great. Like finally having a blind actor play Daredevil.
As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.it doesn't help that blindness seems to be the easiest to fake on the voice actor's part. sight and the lack thereof being irrelevant to the job of providing voice overs, and voices being irrelevant to whether someone can see or not. The same could be said for amputees and maybe the deaf as well. You can portray the characters has having those disabilities and cast someone who doesn't have it and the viewers wouldn't notice.
There are other cases where people can "get away" with casting people that weren't the same demographics as their characters. as an example. Charlie Chan's more iconic actor was a swede and the Hanna-Barbera cartoon had more Chinese characters then they did asian actors that played them (though in fairness the few they did had were still a step in the right direction, apparently), and more contemporary, English dubs of anime (esp those set in Japan or an ersatz thereof) still rarely use Asian VAs. Likewise I suspect that straight people in LGBT roles and neurotypical actors playing neurodivergent characters are more common when we'd hope.
Live-action is different obviously, but even there there are prolly incidents where an actor was cast as someone he isn't even if people had rightfully renounced Blackface and the like. (again bringing up the "swedish man plays chinese-american detective" anedote again)
Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jun 5th 2025 at 4:56:48 AM
I'd argue that a blind actor wouldn't really work to play Daredevil, at least in live-action, since the whole point of his character is how he can basically see perfectly with everything except his eyes, and on top of that is a highly physical role. I mean, if they can find a blind actor who can do all of that, then great, but statistically that person is gonna be incredibly difficult to find.
I can't remember if the actress they announced to play live-action Toph is blind or not, but they did get Dionne Quan for the upcoming movie, so that's neat.
Edited by lbssb on Jun 5th 2025 at 7:12:01 AM
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Toph might be easier to do that with, since her action scenes would be mostly SFX-dependent unlike Daredevil who needs practical stuntwork. But I just looked it up and no, the actress they cast does not appear to be visually impaired.
And Daredevil doesn't really appear in animation that often to begin with, even video games don't use him a lot. So there's just less of an an opportunity there, I guess.
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I really dont know why you keep bringing the topic back to live action. I mean, obviously doing that way would be impossible, but in animation its not even been attempted despite being way easier in theory.
EDIT: Oh wow, I get it now, you meant that Daredevil simply isnt adapted to animation often. Sorry my bad. He really should be IMO.
Edited by AegisP on Jun 5th 2025 at 4:24:32 AM
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Miya Cech isn't blind and Toph also shares the same traits with Daredevil: a very physical role and having a stronger sense to compensate for her blindness. Dana Elcar was an actor who later developed glaucoma and his character in MacGyver was reworked to also develop glaucoma not to mention he had a guest starring role as the blind father of a murder suspect in Law and Order.
Edited by KRider on Jun 5th 2025 at 7:26:46 PM
Set! Avenge! "Henshin." Black General! Bujin Sword! Ready, Fight!Why would a blind actor have to play a blind character in a voice role? It's not like their blindness effects their voice acting. In theory at least, a blind actor should be able to voice any character an able actor could voice, so it's not like they're losing out on one of the few roles they could play if able actors voiced blind characters.
No, you misunderstood. Its not that THEY SHOULD HAVE but rather that would mean such a major opportunity for a blind actor to play a role they would pretty much never have in another medium. It is pretty much impossible for them to do what Toph or Daredevil do. I really dont mind, but I would love to see it get done one day.
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Your post did make me realize that there are actually some cases of blind voice actors playing non blind characters and that's very heartening to me.
Edited by AegisP on Jun 5th 2025 at 5:00:11 AM
As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.If we're going to keep steering this discussion into live action...
I don't imagine it'd be particularly difficult or controversial to cast a sighted stunt actor for scenes that a blind actor might not be willing or able to safely perform, in cases like Daredevil—he does most of his fighting in a costume that largely conceals his face, remember.
Even then, with modern CGI being what it is, you could take that approach with pretty much anyone, mask or not. It's what stunt actors are for.
Edited by Chortleous on Jun 6th 2025 at 1:44:51 PM
Crossposting from the Pro Wrestling thread:
Trans Woman Native American wrestler Nyla Rose, who's currently wrestling in AEW, was honored during Morgantown, West Virginia's Pride Month Celebration and received an award from the city's mayor.
Also on the topic of Trans Wrestlers, Filipina Trans Woman Wrestler Gisele Shaw defeated Kylie Rae last month to become Maple Leaf Pro Wrestling (MLPW)'s inaugural MLP Women's Canadian Champion.
Edited by KRider on Jun 16th 2025 at 1:51:08 AM
Set! Avenge! "Henshin." Black General! Bujin Sword! Ready, Fight!I was watching an old Rebel Taxi video (Top 10 worst theme songs) and Pan Pizza (the guy who ran the channel) claimed that "I truly believe 4kids contributed to some form of xenophobia". Now, while Pan makes outrageous statements for hyperbole or as a joke, do you think that cartoons trying to excise foreign cultural elements (which 4Kids definitely did) could lead to negative/bigoted attitudes in the long run?
Edited by J79 on Jun 19th 2025 at 12:11:46 PM
It certainly builds the narrative that anime characters are white so to speak. To people Sailor Moon is a Blonde White Girl, Ash is a White Boy, Goku being played by a white guy is okay since he doesnt look Asian...
The Japanese producers of the Pokemon Anime got rid of Brock even! Because he actually looks Asian and they thought the West would like a whiter kid better. Luckily Brock returned because he was massively popular.
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The Brock thing is actually even more ridiculous: they got rid of him because they thought Western audiences would find him "racist" because he... had slightly darker skin.
Yeah, they tried to replace a major character due to a completely imaginary controversy not about stereotypes in his behavior or character design, but just for having a different skin tone from the other characters.
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No they didnt, they simply felt Pokemon wouldnt succeed with an Asian castmember. I keep sharing this but it never sticks.
Takeshi Shudo: And then another issue came up. We got word that the show's upper management wanted to remove Takeshi as a regular member of the cast. The reason they gave was because of the shape of Takeshi's eyes. Almond-shaped eyes make people aware that he's an Asian, and an anime where Asians appear can't be successful in the West. So make it so he doesn't appear, they said. But I wouldn't say this was racism or anything like that. I just think the idea that Westerners wouldn't accept Asian-looking characters to be old-fashioned. I don't know who ordered it but I remember thinking the whole thing was stupid. Later, upper management noticed that Takeshi was surprisingly popular in the West and so they allowed him to be brought back.
さらに困ったことが起こった。 レギュラーメンバーのタケシが、上層部の意向で 消されてしまったのである。 理由は、タケシの目が細いということである。 細目は東洋人を意識させる。 東洋人の出るアニメは、欧米では受けない。だか ら登場させるな、である。 人種差別とはいわない。しかし、僕は、東洋人が 欧米で受けないという感覚が古いと思った。 だれが言い出したか知らないが、馬鹿じゃないか と思った。 その後、タケシが意外に欧米人に人気があること に気がついた上層部は、タケシを復活させた。
As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.

Regarding that last bit, there's a post in the Lilo & Stitch thread
about how some of the best institutions in that field can be found on mainland America.
"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."