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A thread for discussing representation and diversity in all kinds of media. This covers creators and casting decisions as well as characters and in-universe discussions.

Historical works and decisions are in-scope as well, not just recent news.

Please put any spoilers behind tags and clearly state which work(s) they apply to.

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For discussing any racial, gender, and orientation misdoings happening across various movies and the film industry today.

This week, producer Ross Putnam started a Twitter account called "femscriptintros", where he puts up examples of how women are introduced in the screenplays he's read. And nearly all of sound like terrible porn or are too concerned with emphasizing said lady is beautiful despite whatever traits she may have. Here's a Take Two podcast made today where he talks about it.


(Edited April 19 2024 to add mod pinned post)

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:45:51 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#27451: Mar 9th 2021 at 12:06:48 PM

AKA, the worst kind of reboots or adaptations. The ones that act like the original material is beneath them.

Edited by Blueace on Mar 9th 2021 at 5:09:05 PM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#27452: Mar 9th 2021 at 12:12:22 PM

It's essentially the principles behind Grimmification, which doesn't have the best track record.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#27453: Mar 9th 2021 at 12:14:57 PM

CW Powerpuffs. Wow. Most shows don't get one hated revival and this one gets two in span of a decade.

I actually like grimmification, and even I think this is dumb. A tone along the lines of Legends of Tomorrow would suit PPG just fine, but this just feels weird.

Edited by thatindiantroper on Mar 10th 2021 at 1:50:59 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#27454: Mar 9th 2021 at 12:39:30 PM

I'm admittedly more surprised at how quickly this show was launched, got its leads, and is moving through production. I'm admittedly used to a lot of Live-Action Adaptation projects that get announced, then go silent for years only to have it revealed three or four years following the announcement that License Holder Y objected to something and the writers sat in a writing room for all those years without a single casting call or set made.

This was only confirmed for a pilot order a few months ago and they're moving through the casting and the like in fast-forward.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 9th 2021 at 3:50:43 PM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27455: Mar 9th 2021 at 12:48:53 PM

Yeah, the Buttercup casting is weird for the same reason I don't like what Titans is doing with Tim Drake. In an attempt to diversify they fell back into stereotypes, and that's always weird.

Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#27456: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:00:53 PM

On the plus side, if Whose Line ever makes more tapings, the chances of Chloe Bennett guest starring just went up.

Not that there's been clamoring for Bennett to guest in Whose Line, I just think it'd be cool to see her on.

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Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#27457: Mar 9th 2021 at 4:16:53 PM

Additional comment: I just remembered that Dove Cameron was on Agents of SHIELD as well, along with Chloe.

Wonder if she'll crush someone's head on this show too.

Edited by Brandon on Mar 9th 2021 at 4:17:05 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
PhoenixAct Since: Feb, 2011
#27459: Mar 10th 2021 at 6:54:50 AM

To add on to what has already been said; if I remember right wasn't Blossom the most "proper" of the three, being both the smartest and the most polite? If so, then making her asian also feels like it's something of a stereotype.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27460: Mar 10th 2021 at 7:01:49 AM

Wouldn't any of them be some kind of Asian stereotype, depending how you look at it? Bubbles the overly-cutesy idol-type, or Buttercup the martial artist?

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27461: Mar 10th 2021 at 7:02:45 AM

I mean, she's also the strongest and the leader. She's certainly not submissive which is the real troublesome trope.

And if we're going that broad, then casting her as ditzy Bubbles or "toughest fighter" Buttercup would be problematic.

Not that most people know Bennett's half-Asian anyway.

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Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 10th 2021 at 10:03:21 AM

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PhoenixAct Since: Feb, 2011
#27462: Mar 10th 2021 at 7:12:08 AM

Fair enough, I was thinking specifically about the Asian and Nerdy trope.

[up][up]Although, as far as I remember Buttercup isn't a martial artist, she's a brawler, which is pretty much the opposite of how Asian fighters are usually depicted in Hollywood.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27463: Mar 10th 2021 at 7:20:23 AM

You think they're going to do a female brawler in live action? As a main character?

Edited by Kayeka on Mar 10th 2021 at 4:20:48 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27464: Mar 10th 2021 at 7:49:40 AM

One possible advantage of the Adaptational Angst Upgrade is that the model minority trope could be subverted or deconstructed.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27465: Mar 10th 2021 at 9:05:01 AM

Game of Thrones Prequel Star Olivia Cooke Believes the Show Won't Have 'Egregious Violence Towards Women'

“I wouldn’t feel comfortable in being a part of anything that has just egregious graphic violence towards women for no reason whatsoever, just because they want it to be tantalising in a way that gets viewers,” she says. “I was lucky enough to read the script before, and it has changed a lot from the first few seasons. I don’t think they’d be in their right minds to include any of that any more.”

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#27466: Mar 10th 2021 at 9:22:02 AM

[up] Didn’t know it was having a prequel… Hopefully the writing won’t raise a shitstorm like Season 8’s. tongue

Some details about the Netflix series about Yasuke (the first black Samurai) directed by LeSean Thomas. Lakeith Stanfield is voicing the title character in English and Flying Lotus is composing.

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#27467: Mar 10th 2021 at 9:24:57 AM

In really looking forward to that. Such an interesting premise.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#27468: Mar 10th 2021 at 9:58:36 AM

[up][up]IIRC, the late Chadwick Boseman wanted to do a Yasuke movie. It's a shame we'll never see it.

Edit - Yeah, Deadline announced he had signed on in 2019. That would have been something I would have gone to the theater to see.

I was excited about the project, until I saw Le Sean Thomas was involved. In addition to his last show, Cannon Busters, being terrible, it also has the distinct controversy of Thomas getting a pilot made via Kickstarter, only to leave all of his backers high and dry on the rewards he promised.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 10th 2021 at 1:01:35 PM

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#27469: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:03:48 AM

I will always be saddened at the fact his career was just starting only to get wiped out totally by his unexpected death. Dude had so much more he wanted to do.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27470: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:05:11 AM

Hey, if Lakeith ever wants to do it in live action, I'd watch that too.

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#27471: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:06:09 AM

[up][up][up] So, is the live action film still on the table or did Boseman’s passing put a kibosh on that?

Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#27472: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:33:36 AM

Re: To add on to what has already been said; if I remember right wasn't Blossom the most "proper" of the three, being both the smartest and the most polite? If so, then making her asian also feels like it's something of a stereotype.

I wasn't really aware that being polite was an Asian stereotype. I mean... We have a trope called Asian Rudeness.

I'm not saying Asian people in general aren't polite, I'm just saying I doubt people will see Chloe Bennet in this role and be like "Hey, she's acting nice and proper! Stereotype!"

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27473: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:35:33 AM

The stereotype is Inscrutable Oriental, fwiw. It's much older than Asian Rudeness, which in part rose up because said "inscrutability" sometimes comes off as rude to Westerners.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 10th 2021 at 12:37:40 PM

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#27474: Mar 10th 2021 at 1:06:29 PM

[up][up] I thought excessive politeness was more of a Japanese stereotype, specifically…

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27475: Mar 10th 2021 at 7:12:06 PM

HBO Max Launches Latinx Initiative Named HBO Max Pa’lante!

HBO is rebranding its Latinx outreach platforms in an effort to spark conversations, create content, and explore Latinx voices. HBO Max Pa’lante, the new apt rebranding, takes its name from the Spanish slang for “go ahead” or “forward.”...

HBO Max Pa’lante’s first steps come in the form of an animated Tapiz (tapestry) Manifesto illustrated by Katty Huertas, Daniel Moreno, COVL, and Carolina Lopez Corominas. It’ll be narrated by Cristela Alonzo. Alonzo will also join the editorial series Pa’Lante Pa’Mi (“for me”.) It will be led by comedian Aida Rodriguez, writer Cristela Alonzo, director Angel Manuel Soto, singer Joy from pop duo Jesse y Joy, and lead singer Yotuel Romero from Orishas. They will further discuss what pa’lante means to them.

On March 25th HBO Max will host virtual events to herald change in the form of HBO Max Pa’lante. There will be a keynote address, storytelling panels, and musical performances from Latinx guests. Pa’lante is also partnering with organizations like Eva Longoria and America Ferrera’s She Se Puede, Ain’t I Latina?, Spiritú, and more. They will be celebrating famed Latinx author Isabel Allende via passage readings done by Kate de Castillo, Rosie Perez, Gloria Calderon Kellet, and many more Latinx voices.


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