A thread for discussing representation and diversity in all kinds of media. This covers creators and casting decisions as well as characters and in-universe discussions.
Historical works and decisions are in-scope as well, not just recent news.
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This week, producer Ross Putnam started a Twitter account called "femscriptintros", where he puts up examples of how women are introduced in the screenplays he's read. And nearly all of sound like terrible porn or are too concerned with emphasizing said lady is beautiful despite whatever traits she may have. Here's a Take Two podcast made today where he talks about it.
(Edited April 19 2024 to add mod pinned post)
Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:45:51 AM
I recently read a French graphic novel called "The Patient" where in one scene, the protagonist (actually a sociopathic murderer) kills another guy who had pretty obvious feelings for him by taking advantage of said feelings to make him lower his guard.
And I’m pretty sure I’ve seen several stories with this kind of scenario − a straight villain manipulating a gay character’s feelings to hurt them in some way. Is it kinda common or is it just me? Maybe I’m overthinking this…
Flippé de participer à ce grand souper, je veux juste m'occuper de taper mon propre tempo.Good article. Thank you for sharing. The graphic novel sounds interesting.
I'm not sure if it's necessarily common, but it is also used in the book and film of The Day of the Jackal where he flirts with a gay man so that he will shelter the Jackal (an assassin) and then kills him after the guy sees a news broadcast that the police are looking for the Jackal's current identity.
For what it's worth, the Jackal also murders a Countess he seduces after she similarly comes across information that raises her suspicions.
I'd need to reread/rewatch, but I think the gay character was presented somewhat less sympathetically. Like with the Countess, it's a somewhat romantically presented seduction (along the lines of James Bond) and the fact that Jackal kills her is a nasty Kick the Dog moment.
Whereas with the gay guy, the Jackal allows himself to be picked up in a gay bar (and IIRC/IMO the fact that he kills the guy feels a lot more inevitable).
Edited by Hodor2 on Jan 7th 2021 at 4:50:03 AM
It's not like that exact scenario involving straight people is unheard off.
The real problem is gay men in media not being allowed to have a happy courtship in general, unless said courtship is the entire film.
x2 Minor correction: it's a prose, not graphic, novel.
Jordan Peele on working behind the camera vs in front of it.
Freeform to Develop New Series From Yara and Keri Shahidi.
Edited by windleopard on Jan 13th 2021 at 7:15:40 AM
I look forward to a cameo from Kel Mitchell.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.‘Titans’ Season 3 Casts Savannah Welch as Barbara Gordon
I’ve been hoping for a long time to see a disabled actor play Oracle.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 19th 2021 at 11:03:32 AM
Making her a wounded vet is a lot more tasteful than keeping her backstory from The Killing Joke.
they'll reveal she was wounded by the Joker in a war zone,no that doesn't make any sense to me
New theme music also a boxBut of course, the man who shot her was Private Joker.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Making her a wounded vet is a lot more tasteful than keeping her backstory from The Killing Joke.
I think a solution like this is the right way to go.
The way Barbara became Oracle was extremely bad and shouldn't have happened the way it did, but I think there is some argument to be made that the rep she gives to disabled people and her overall role as a character in the Oracle persona is more interesting than her as Batgirl. So it makes sense going forward to keep that role but just give her a different backstory to keep the positive aspects of the character and jettison the negative ones.
Is this the first time Oracle will be portrayed in live action?
Flippé de participer à ce grand souper, je veux juste m'occuper de taper mon propre tempo.Second. Theirs also Birds of Prey.
Uh okay may be I misread Some thing but I didn't see anything which indicTed they changed her backstory. It says the exact same thing with the joker in the first paragraph unless I'm missing something ?
Edited by miraculous on Jan 19th 2021 at 12:42:51 PM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."I don’t see a declaration that her backstory is being changed. It might be derived from the mention that the actor once played a disabled military veteran.
Granted something will probably change if the nature of Barbara’s disability is now losing a leg instead of being paraplegic.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 19th 2021 at 12:47:34 PM
Hell the first paragraph says this
...woops, should have read the story properly.
Yeah I was going wait a minute this isn’t what the article said
Well, not looking forward to them attempting to replicate The Killing Joke. That story could do well to be buried for a good while.
Wake me up at your own risk."Private Joker I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!"
I'd watch a Private Joker series as long as he was the Beetle Bailey to Sarge Bane.
But I think I'm digressing here.
Child Popstar/Actress Jojo Siwa has apparently come out as queer, after hinting at it for a couple of days. What's interesting is that she doesn't seem to pivoting to an older audience and will continue to market her Tastes Like Diabetes brand. This is really huge, in terms of someone being openly LGBTQ and still targeted towards children; I know there has been some inroads through Disney/Nick/Cartoon Network but Jojo Siwa is highly popular with kids and sells out shows and merchandise regularly.
Edited by MegaJ on Jan 22nd 2021 at 9:24:05 AM
After seeing the discussion, I looked for some articles, and I came across an interesting one on how Miles has been portrayed. It has an interesting conversation on Jeff's name and how it's used in the YA novel:
That Miles’s father shares his name with the president of the Confederate States of America, one of the most horrific advocates for the continuation and expansion of racial slavery, might be shrugged off as a coincidence — although this would be akin to Superman landing in Smallville, Kansas, and being raised by a farmer randomly named Robert E. Lee. The name of Miles’s father stands out even more against the character’s background. Jefferson is an NYPD officer in both the movie and the video game, whereas in the comics he is a former criminal turned undercover aide to Nick Fury and, ultimately, an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. Both versions are laden with racial connotations and potential minefields for even the most politically adept and sensitive writers.
Incredibly, the stories give much more attention to the fact that Miles is given his mother’s last name. The multiple explanations include that his father didn’t want to burden his son with his criminal past, or that it would just be plain silly to have his son share his name with the jazz musician Miles Davis. This is apparently less absurd than Jefferson Davis’s own namesake, now left up to posters on troubling message boards to sort out.
Of course, it is relatively easy to speculate about why Miles’s father is named Jefferson Davis. Occam’s razor suggests that it is because at no point in the development of the character had anyone in the creative or editorial team considered it noteworthy. They either had not remembered Jefferson Davis from their US history class or did not care. For what it’s worth, the creative team led by Bendis has found themselves on the wrong side of more than one controversy over their handling of race.
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The directness with which Reynolds addresses the naming of Miles’s father in his YA novel Miles Morales: Spider-Man (2017) is refreshingly shocking: Miles learns for the first time about the historical Jefferson Davis from Mr. Chamberlain, his villainous history teacher who not only romanticizes slavery in class but turns out to be part of a network of Confederate zombies working to punish students of color and fuel the school-to-prison pipeline.
In the novel, Miles attempts to figure out why his spidey-sense is triggered every time he is in Mr. Chamberlain’s class. On one occasion, Mr. Chamberlain quizzes students about the originator of the quote, “All we ask is to be let alone.” He provokes Miles out of his stupor when he announces it was Jefferson Davis, reminding Miles of his father. As Chamberlain explains, “The quote is a simple one, but it means so, so much. It’s simply asking that the people of the South be allowed to govern themselves. That the way things were was just fine.” A student speaks up, saying, “Unless you were a slave.” But Mr. Chamberlain continues his lesson unabated: “We underestimate the bond between slave and master. So many slaves were comfortable with being enslaved. Happy even. Later this week, maybe I’ll bring in some images to better illustrate my point.” Building on this white supremacist view, Mr. Chamberlain suggests that the prison-industrial complex thankfully provides a similar, modern-day “opportunity.” Miles, a direct target of Mr. Chamberlain’s racism throughout the novel, suffers through the lesson, “letting every word dagger through his mind.”
Building to the climax of the novel, Miles once again hears this quote, this time uttered by his father in reference to his now deceased super-villain brother, Miles’s Uncle Aaron. Miles and Jefferson learn that Aaron had a son, Austin, whom they decide to visit in prison. After realizing that Aaron’s desire to care for his son might have motivated his turn to crime, Miles’s father laments, “Like, I always thought he just couldn’t help himself. Or … didn’t want to … and all I wanted was to be left alone.”
With the repetition of this quote, Miles must consider his father side-by-side with the specter of Jefferson Davis, once again through the link between slavery and the carceral state. At issue is Miles’s father’s belief that Aaron “couldn’t help himself [from committing crimes]. Or didn’t want to…” This characterization of Aaron mirrors the rhetoric of Black criminality used so frequently to justify over-policing, racial profiling, and outright police brutality in communities of color. Moreover, the echoed desire to be “left alone” now refers not to Southern states’ desire to protect the institution of slavery, but Jefferson’s desire to separate himself from his criminal brother, and by extension his community, in order to excel — a dynamic also reflected in his decision to enter Miles into the lottery that would send him to the charter school Brooklyn Visions Academy.
From this point of the novel forward, Miles begins to discover that Mr. Chamberlain is actually just one of untold Mr. Chamberlains who have been torturing and framing Black and Latinx teenagers in schools, detention centers, and prisons across New York City, and perhaps beyond, to ensure the continuation of slavery. In true genre fashion, Miles follows his Mr. Chamberlain to a secret meeting of Confederate zombies led by a prison warden who presides under a large portrait of … the historical Jefferson Davis. With this apt image, Reynolds invokes the undead, ideological legacy of white supremacy that remains too diffuse to individuate. And, what better represents the intractability of this legacy, Reynolds self-referentially suggests, than naming the Afro-Latinx Spider-Man’s dad Jefferson Davis?
tl;dr In the YA novel Miles literally fights a zombified Jefferson Davis and a group of fellow zombie Confederates minions posing as history teachers.
Edited by Aleistar on Jan 6th 2021 at 9:07:36 AM