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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3251: Jan 25th 2019 at 11:51:11 AM

Normally I'm dismissive of such things but among the many who have claimed such, this particular intern is the only one to have proven insider knowledge by releasing some very specific context-free spoilers long ahead of time, particularly regarding seasons 3/6/7 (specifically, Red Paladin Alfor, Lotor having a nanny, Kosmo's exact name, and Keith's Plot-Relevant Age-Up).

Brooks (and everyone else for that matter) would've been present to voice the lines where Allura was involved in sacrificing herself so I find it questionable she didn't know at least something was going to happen with Allura. It's less likely that it was changed directly and a lot more likely that she was expecting room for Allura coming back in some kind of unvoiced segment afterwards (which the post-credits scene does still leave open; I can believe that part was added last minute).

Voice acting happens very early in episode production so animators have time to work around them for things like lipflaps and timing. Krolia's VA started work on Season 5 in early 2016. It's typical for V As to not see proper scenes or know about any other major plot developments outside their voiced parts until release, besides the ones they're called to do ADR for. And discussing the possibility of hypothetical spinoffs is standard PR, just as Josh Keaton making comments about wanting to see an Atlas spinoff (which he's still been doing by the way) isn't evidence for all the Epileptic Trees that they actually had conclusive plans for one in the works.

I have no doubts the epilogue was added last minute and the lack of any voice acting is a part of it. The only instance where we can say for certain that last-minute changes involved voiced content were Acxa's scenes in The Grudge, and they're notable precisely because they only had time to do her lines causing it clashes strongly with everyone else's dialogue and because Acxa is animated at a much lower level of detail than the others.

D1Puck1T Since: Jan, 2001
#3252: Jan 26th 2019 at 7:43:37 PM

"Actually, I have the power to restore ALL realities in the multiverse after they've been erased. Sorry I never mentioned it earlier, or displayed any power remotely of that magnitude before now."

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#3253: Feb 4th 2019 at 12:51:15 PM

Edited by Kaiseror on Feb 4th 2019 at 3:58:38 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3254: Feb 4th 2019 at 1:48:43 PM

Already been posted earlier.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#3255: Feb 4th 2019 at 1:58:06 PM

Oh, the thread was moving so fast I must've missed it.

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#3256: Feb 8th 2019 at 8:34:46 PM

I dont want to be mean, but if the nicest thing anyone can say is "Its my fave iteration" when all others suck so hard isnt much of an acomplishment.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3257: Feb 26th 2019 at 10:13:07 AM

So apparently the showrunners did a post Season 8 interview with Afterbuzz, and it is a doozy.

A summary of what was said is also available here. Some key points -

The showrunners were constantly asking to kill off Paladins and kept getting rejected. One idea was to kill Hunk or Pidge and have Acxa replace them. Executives Ok’d killing Hunk but objected to 3 girls.

They flat out say animation isn’t for kids anymore. Let’s just ignore how much money LEGO Movie 2 made.

They claim their show was better than others in the mecha genre (bringing up the primary comparison of Transformers) because it “deviated from the norm”.

They had no idea what Vehicle Voltron was and still have never seen a single episode.

The original pitch was a Kill Em All ending where everyone dies and Voltron itself is destroyed. Executives again denied them that, but they got permission to kill off Allura.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 26th 2019 at 2:10:44 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#3258: Feb 26th 2019 at 10:44:24 AM

What the fuck is wrong with these people???

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#3259: Feb 26th 2019 at 11:04:51 AM

1. Happy they did not kill off Hunk for Axca, I did not care for her.

2. Animation was always for people beyond kids. Its the idea it was ever just for them that was dumb. I saw Lego Movie 2 Solo and loved it personally.Even if the first was better

3. I actually prefer Kill Em All, at least the Paladins + Shiro, myself. A tragic ending would have been great. But I might just be seeking balance after a series I loved was the mangaka going intentionally for a trainwreck ending, decided only a few chapters from the end to make it a happy ending because what better way to wreck the ending by going for an opposite of what it was building up to?

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 26th 2019 at 11:07:41 AM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3260: Feb 26th 2019 at 11:12:20 AM

[up]The idea wasn’t “animation is for everyone!” so much as “animation isn’t for kids at all and targeting kids actively hurt us”.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3262: Feb 26th 2019 at 11:21:39 AM

Kill Em All doesn't actually sound like such a bad outcome, especially since they originally planned for more emotional moments in the season that would've probably made it more effective. It does at least make more thematic sense and provide the sense of bittersweet triumph that they wanted with Allura's alone but failed to accomplish.

Hunk being replaced by Acxa sounds like an absolute nightmare scenario however. Although he goes mostly unappreciated by many fans I think Hunk is the best written character after Shiro, and Acxa is one of the worst. She would've made for a horrific Replacement Scrappy.

It's strange. I generally think their intended vision sounded better in the long run, and that many of the executives' calls were for the worse, but at the same time they also did step in to prevent a handful of key decisions that would've been absolutely disastrous, even if they were Right for the Wrong Reasons.

[up][up] I didn't get that impression from them at all, that's a very Ron the Death Eater way to interpret it. It sounds more like a combination of lamenting the Animation Age Ghetto juxtaposed alongside their anger at how age-focused Executive Meddling affected their particular show, not that the industry should stop making cartoons for kids at all. And I have to say, from what I hear of it, this specific show absolutely would have benefited from being allowed to target that older audience even if it came at the expense of the younger ones.

[up][up][up] What series are you referring to with the trainwreck ending by the way?

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 26th 2019 at 3:24:38 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3263: Feb 26th 2019 at 1:26:22 PM

[up]What they would have benefitted from, WEP, is giving their attempt to kickstart a franchise to people who didn’t hate the genre of the franchise the way Garth Ennis hates superheroes. For all the talk of their “original vision” I’m pretty sure the fandom would have been equally up in arms if everyone died.

This is apparently not all of the interview BTW. The second part will be posted next week.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3264: Feb 26th 2019 at 1:37:28 PM

The fandom would've been up in arms anyway because they're the type of people who interpret any anything bad happening to a character for any reason as character hate no matter why. They're not upset about bad character fates for being nonsensical or poorly explained, they just think it's "mean" to the character as if they were real people.

And I still don't understand why you constantly try to portray their seeming flippancy or vague distaste towards aspects of mecha as genuine seething hatred. That's just you interpreting things in the most Accentuate the Negative way possible so as to upset yourself for whatever reason.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 26th 2019 at 4:41:25 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3265: Feb 26th 2019 at 1:47:02 PM

[up]The Fan Dumb, sure, but the casual viewers that remained, the idea that they constantly pump the breaks on death of major characters and go out of their way to undo Shiro’s death, only to then go and kill everyone off for real in the finale would be jarring, regardless of their level of investment. At a certain point you have to see if it’s consistent or if the whiplash is going to actively hurt the story.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 26th 2019 at 4:47:23 AM

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#3266: Feb 26th 2019 at 1:56:30 PM

On the plus side, this does confirm that Allura's fate is in fact meant to be open ended, so it is possible she could return one day if the series is ever continued.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#3267: Feb 26th 2019 at 1:58:18 PM

Shiro dying in an ambiguous way that leaves everyone fractured is a tragedy. Shiro dying with the friends he made along the way and saving the universe with them? A+ material

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KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#3268: Feb 26th 2019 at 2:12:22 PM

They had no idea what Vehicle Voltron was and still have never seen a single episode.

Well there's their problem. They've never seen the superior version of Voltron.

(I'm not alone in that opinion either. It seems to be a little more common in Australia where the two versions premiered together at least.)

Edited by KnightofLsama on Feb 26th 2019 at 8:12:34 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3269: Feb 26th 2019 at 4:42:58 PM

Assuming the original plan was similar to what happened to Allura, the whole team would've basically Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence in a manner that's also ambiguous enough to return for a sequel. In that context Shiro's story would've been that of a man who was saved from premature death so that he could become one of the omnipotent and immortal gods now protecting the universe with his True Companions. A little bittersweet but ultimately far more triumphant than tragic.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 26th 2019 at 7:45:32 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3270: Feb 26th 2019 at 9:28:08 PM

[up]If it was portrayed the same, it wouldn't be seen as triumphant since we're not seeing any sort of hope or follow up with the people involved. That's where the ending in its current form screwed up, that we're not given any sort of triumphant note or someone going "Oh, we'll see the princess again, someday." No, she is no more. She has ceased to be. She has expired and gone to meet her maker...etc. Without that hope of seeing the team again, trying to portray it as triumphant would fall flat on its face, kind of like how it did.

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#3271: Feb 26th 2019 at 10:01:48 PM

I gotta say something that I've been meaning to say about the Voltron crew. They are terrible writers. I know some people may think Im being unfair or that they got their "Awesome planned plot" ruined by execs. But Voltron just fails on every level.

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#3272: Feb 26th 2019 at 10:21:47 PM

I think it's not a bad space opera, and would actually be a good one with some trimming and some different trappings.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#3273: Feb 26th 2019 at 11:00:31 PM

Yeah, but they weren't hired to write a space opera. They were supposed to make a team mecha anime but they hated the genre and the destined leader was disconnected from the rest of the team for like two seasons.

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#3274: Feb 26th 2019 at 11:37:55 PM

I'm just saying, in my estimation, they didn't fail on every level because there were good things, even if they weren't always the right good things. Throw in eight or nine more robeasts and I'd be content.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#3275: Feb 26th 2019 at 11:43:59 PM

I don't think team mecha anime & space opera are exclusive concepts.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 26th 2019 at 11:44:11 AM

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