Ascend to a Higher Plane of Existence and being dead are not always separate. In fact it can mean one is super dead and can't even interact with the material plane anymore.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.I've been losing interest in Voltron ever since the end of season six, hated season seven, and season eight was no different. (Though, I did like the Olkari episode with Pidge.) The internet has already has already mentioned my major problems with season eight, so I'm not going to bother with a long spiel with my issues with the final season. Long story short, there was characterization and plot problems.
Then again, season eight suffered from the same problems that I had with the series the whole entire time, and that is that the characters don't interact with each other unless the plot demands it. We're constantly told about the bond between the paladins, but I'm just not feeling it.
If somebody were to ask me how I felt about this show as a whole, the first two seasons were probably the best. While I liked season three, that is probably where the problems with the show started. To me, they took out Zarkon way too soon, and once he was defeated, that's when the show started suffering from a lack of focus.
Honestly... is it bad that I didn't feel that sad about Allura's ascension? I used to like her a lot, but as the series went on she started to feel like a Creator's Pet between all the characters who wanted her for her powers or her beauty and the fact that she was so all-powerful without good justification, pulling Deus ex Machina after Deus ex Machina out of her pocket, and seemingly could do no wrong. This season it was at its worst when she committed a Mind Rape on Zarkon and nobody had a real objection to it.
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To be fair, that was from Bryke. These two only came about for Korra.
Edited by AlleyOop on Dec 16th 2018 at 8:11:00 AM
I mean there's a difference between doing those things normally and some malevolent parasite infecting your brain to revive you as a malevolent zombie that now needs quintessence to live and just makes one degenerate mentally more and more with time. That's a major difference I feel. Just look at how bad Honerva was afterwards alone as she suffered it the worst.
I really liked the biggest difference between Honerva ideal and what happened in their universe is that Zarkon let his wife pass away naturally and raised him the way she wanted, instead of trying to give her what she wanted for her quintessence addiction.
However, I can't blame them because in other series I've seen arguments that always vary between how much someone should atone, if at all, for actions outside their control via brainwashing, manipulated by others, unintended corruption, etc.
Though Im on the sympathetix camp a lot of the time and even if I feel they are partly responsible.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Dec 16th 2018 at 5:27:52 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Come to think of it, I'd forgotten, but it was Honerva who asked Zarkon to take her into the Quintessence Field wasn't it?
So technically, everything that happened was her fault. That is if I'm remembering it right. That's not to say Zarkon is totally free of guilt either.
One Strip! One Strip!Yup.
Blame Honerva.
From that point of view, even Zarkon is a victim of her decision.
Though it's clear she wasn't exactly in her right mind either, what with being possessed by that entity from the Quintessence dimension.
One Strip! One Strip!I don’t know what it is about this show, but I have a hard time recalling specific stuff from old episodes. Like, that monster from Episode 3. I had no recollection of what Keith was talking about when he said where the monster came from. I had to look it up. Turns out it was from 3 seasons ago. Bloodlines to be specific. And it wasn’t the A plot, that was Allura and Lotor doing research. Hell it wasn’t even the B plot, which was Hunk, Lance and Pidge having fun with a new robot buddy. Something about releasing episodes in big batches and then going for long periods of nothing is making it really hard to remember stuff like this.
Super glad we got to see Zethrid and Ezor. Everyone kept saying they were dead after a little explosion at the top of last season. Glad they survived, because that was an unsatisfying end to both characters.
How long was Lotor in exile exactly? That one flashback seemed to occur when he was still young. Was he in exile for 10,000 years?
In “Clear Day’ when Pidge is trading in her tickets for a prize, one of the prizes is clearly Metal Gear Rex.
The ending chose sentimentality over making sense.
Oh, and the part with Chip at the very end? Chip was a member of Vehicle Voltron.
Edited by WillKeaton on Dec 16th 2018 at 8:18:49 AM
Ok, having had the weekend to look over everything again, what strikes me the most is the show, or more accurately this last season not just being boring, but a combination of boring and mean-spirited. And that’s not to say that you can make something mean-spirited and it will automatically be bad. As one random Tumblr post pointed out, End Of Evangelion wasn’t exactly written by someone in a good place, with a writer clearly upset at how the Fan Dumb misinterpreted and rejected the themes and morals he presented (as part of his own therapy!), but it’s still widely hailed as a classic.
But the mean-spiritedness is a constant throughout the season. Ok, the original Voltron was a badly adapted version of LD? Giving out over how Keith and Allura were presented? When all this is over, people are still gonna remember the original Voltron while LD is in the same place as Third Dimension and Force. Is there any reason to do that in such a petty way?
As Gunheart pointed out, the final battle was just boring. Ultimate Voltron...engages in a shoving match while Allura talks Honerva down because that’s where the real drama is! Honerva is just a bad villain in general at this point, hardly worthy of being considered a final threat, and the “This is stupid, knock it off” take on the battle feels worthy of a parody like Daimander more than an actual finale.
Oh, and then the ending, which is funny in how petty it is, but at the same time, feels beyond unnecessary. People have spoken about how tacked on the Shiro marriage was, but the fact that they go out of their way to sink every other major pairing possibility is both hilarious in how vindictive it is and kind of pointless in the long run. Lance is celibate, having dedicated his life to mourning his girlfriend of two months (and having facial markings that ensure he can never get over her) Allura is deader than dead, Lotor is deader than dead, and Keith is...off with Space Greenpeace. Was there a point to the Chip robot or the hints of Vehicle Voltron? Everyone knows this is the end of the line for this incarnation of Voltron (and whether it gets another chance is a major question mark at this point).
I don’t know how much I believe a lot of the rumors about the show, but the one about it having massive rewrites is rather plausible given all that occurred.
Edited by Beatman1 on Dec 17th 2018 at 9:11:30 AM
I don't think that assessment is really fair. I mean, original voltron show part is just cute gag and I kinda doubt writers were intentionally trying to sink every ship
I think shippers kinda overestimate importance of "OMG, characters need to be confirmed to be in a relationship in epilogue!" thing
They've iterated since the beginning that romance is not meant to be a big part of this show. I can entirely believe there was no intention of any kind of romantic plotline outside of the Lance/Allura/Lotor love triangle, and that the ending was to conclude with everyone ambiguously single until they clumsily attempted to fix up the Bury Your Gays incident (which probably just made things a lot worse), just because they never cared enough to pair people up in the first place. They haven't actively sunk any pairings either outside of Shiro either. You're assuming a lot about Lance not being able to move on, Pidge is a complete question mark that you can interpret in any way you assume, Keith is implied to be asexual but again as with Pidge is still technically up in the air, Shiro was already in a relationship so it's the least odd for him to be in another, and Hunk is still free to get with Shay who he does have established chemistry with.
Edited by AlleyOop on Dec 17th 2018 at 12:23:05 PM
Plus excluding Hunk who has Shay I was fine with Keith, Shiro, and Pidge not entering a relationship. If anything I was more worried about Keith ending up with Axca, who I saw had more chemistry with Lances sis than anyone taunting her being with Keith.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.Shiro does seem to be a fan favorite for a reason. Would it be fair to say he's the Breakout Character? The showrunners themselves seem to have been surprised that he took off so well among fans.
Edited by AlleyOop on Dec 17th 2018 at 1:32:43 PM
I wonder if Shiro fits under Creator's Pest given their constant attempts to kill him off. The various rumors say that no one was really a fan, they make fun of their inability to kill him off in The Voltron Show, and it was again rumored they tried to kill him off for good again during Season 6, although what they planned to do with him in the original ideas was anyone’s guess.
Edited by Beatman1 on Dec 17th 2018 at 1:42:32 PM
I've heard the opposite, that despite the plans to kill him off, they deliberately wrote his death in such a way that they could easily bring him back once enough time in the story had passed. At least Joaquim Dos Santos and Kihyun Ryu seem to be fond of him. Also I doubt he would receive such a triumphant arc as the pilot of the Atlas if they truly hated him, otherwise they'd just retire him completely upon his return to Earth, which is what I expected them to do.
Also I've seen some of the rumors and they come from extremely suspect sources, in particular antis who have a blatant history of demonizing Shiro and trying to undermine him, and some of whom claim that Shiro was meant to end up with Allura (which is ridiculous as it's been confirmed from multiple staffers that he was created as gay from the getgo, with the only question being whether they could get away with it openly).
Edited by AlleyOop on Dec 17th 2018 at 1:48:12 PM
The gay rumor honestly confounds me, because if it was really Tim’s goal to push Shallura (presumably making it a dead love situation) and JDS made him gay once Tim left, that is a rather cruel Take That! disguised as representation.
But as you mentioned for that one, all sources, both pro and anti, are so dubious that I didn’t want to mention them.
Edited by Beatman1 on Dec 17th 2018 at 1:56:47 PM

A lot of rumors are going around about how the production was a mess, infighting over scripts and romantic arcs, etc, but until we can figure out what's the truth and what's being driven by angry shipping, it's probably not worth repeating them back.