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Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#3001: Oct 7th 2018 at 3:58:11 PM

I would say it depends on the perspective one looks at it from.

I assume the logic of the not crazy shippers is that these two characters look like they would make a good couple they should totally get together.

Plus I don't think it is people thinking you can't be happy without someone, but more people want the characters to have the complete package in regards to being happy which includes accomplishing their dreams, having their friends, family and loved ones to share in their success with them.

When it comes to the shipping wars well we can just ignore that for all of our sanity since no matter what that it inevitable no matter the genre because interaction between characters leads to people getting ideas. Actually they don't even have to have talked to each other for people to think two characters would make a good couple.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#3002: Oct 7th 2018 at 4:24:51 PM

The problem is that to get there the story and characters suddenly hook up for no reason despite lack of chemistry or interaction between them. That may satisfy some fans, but it can feel hollow to others especially when the story leding up to it did not seem like it'd lead to that.

I've gotten burned several times by that kind of thinking this year alone on series Ive been into and the only thing that could be say to be good about them is that it ended.

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Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#3003: Oct 7th 2018 at 5:57:55 PM

Is that any stranger than what happens in the real world though in regards to people with little to no chemistry getting together?

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#3004: Oct 7th 2018 at 6:58:29 PM

With real life it tends to end in dysfunctional relationships. In fiction its perfect.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#3005: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:32:38 PM

I'm reminded of Alan Scott in the New 52. DC made a big deal of having a "gay Green Lantern" and how it was a big step forward for representation. Except for a few things: One, it was happening on another Earth, so it didn't really count. Two, We see maybe four pages of Alan and his fiance interacting and having one kiss before the fiance is immediately killed. Three, Alan Scott then spent the rest of the New 52's publication cycle as some Silver Surfer/Dr. Manhattan asexual supreme being of good, so that they never had to actually show or mention his sexuality outside of his dead fiance. It was like giving themselves a gold star for doing D- effort.

Similarly, Adam and Shiro had almost no interaction. We see them arguing in a flashback, and then Adam dies. There was no warmth, there was no happiness, there was no tenderness. There was just arguing, and then death. We knew nothing about Adam, we don't even get a last name or even an age, all we know is that he and Shiro were together and now he's gone. And I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that Shiro's sexuality will never even be mentioned again. If this were a regular weekly television show and you happened to miss the episode where we meet-and-immediately-say-goodbye-to Shiro's boyfriend, you would have no idea that he was gay.

I'm not saying I want Sheith. Or Shance. I'm not saying Shiro is invalid as a gay man if he isn't fucking someone on-screen and you can see the sweat running down the crack of his ass. Just... say something. A passing mention. A coffee date that doesn't work because he can't stop focusing on work or because he can't find it in himself to get over Adam. Anything more than nothing whatsoever.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#3006: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:39:55 PM

Shiro prioritizing his work over romance would be entirely incharacter. Its why they had said falling out.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3007: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:58:12 PM

[up]I think you could do something with that, like a montage of relationships that don’t work because his true calling is exploration and he can’t commit outside of that.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#3008: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:10:59 PM

Or even just have Lance or Keith say something like "Hey, you should get out sometime, just relax, maybe make some guy's night." Or whatever they can get away with, and have Shiro just blow it off because there's too much work to do, or he's not ready to date.

Hell, just rip off Winter Soldier with everyone recommending people for him to ask out or trying to set him up with somebody.

Lance: "What about that guy in R&D? Randy?"

Hunk: "No, his name's-"

Shiro: "Ronald? With the- the tongue piercing?"

Keith: "Yeah, he's cute."

Shiro: "Yeah... I'm not ready for that."

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3009: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:49:19 PM

Unlikely as the one scene of him that indicated it was already subject to ridiculous amounts of Executive Meddling and attempted censorship. Even the line that indicated Gobber from How To Train Your Dragon was gay could only do so in a very offhand way rather than acknowledge homosexuality as a thing upfront. An entire montage or conversation like what you're describing is expecting too much from the cowardly suits.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 7th 2018 at 1:51:57 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#3010: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:59:56 PM

Which was my whole point, was to explain why people were, and continue to be, so upset. It's not (necessarily) about wanting ships validated or canonized. It's about cowardice being represented as progress.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3011: Oct 7th 2018 at 11:17:22 PM

Then that anger should be directed at the executives for creating this situation and not the creators and staff who have had to deal with the vast majority of the harassment over this.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
DemonDamian Creating a new humanity Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#3013: Oct 8th 2018 at 12:36:38 AM

Another problem is the gender of the subject, sadly. Shows like SU and AT can get away with more because lesbians are less "objectionable" to executives. And even then, before that, shows like Korra could only get away with implying the relationship. Gay men in media (not just for children, but any non-LGBT focused media) are either side or background characters, and in the rare occassions when they are actually on the forefront, they are either single or with a relationship that almost never goes beyond hugging (unless the audience is mostly female). The fact that Shiro is one of our main characters, and his orientation is never treated as a joke or a stereotype is something I really appreciate.

Maybe it's silly of me, but I do hope VLD can open the gates for better and more overt LGBT rep for men. Shiro being LGBT may be small, but this is still leagues above from what we have had before on this type of medium.

Edited by DemonDamian on Oct 8th 2018 at 2:37:17 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3014: Oct 8th 2018 at 2:47:10 AM

Gay male characters are actually a lot more commonplace in books and live action media. It's in things like cartoons, video games, and anime that the gender distribution becomes so severely lopsided. If anything I hope executives picked up on the utter lack of Moral Guardians backlash as reason not to hamper future attempts at representation, but it'd be too optimistic given the movie industry's also molasses response to pushes for diversity.

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#3015: Oct 10th 2018 at 12:00:37 AM

So for all the trailer's bombast I gotta admit, this feels like the sorta shake up to the status quo that should have come earlier. A new ship, new uniforms, finally some new weapons it looks like, and only thirteen episodes left for them to see any use.

...And they're reusing the first Robeast. Given how apparently the MFE fighters couldn't transform due to budget constraints, I'm starting to wonder if the reason kaiju and robot fights are so rare is because of a lack of budget to create and animate them.

DemonDamian Creating a new humanity Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Creating a new humanity
#3016: Oct 10th 2018 at 12:21:00 AM

Oh, almost certainly! CGI animation can be pricey. If it was only ships being CGI (solid objects with little flow) while Voltron and the other mechas/robeasts were 2D animated, the story might be different, but with Voltron and its enemies having to move around and be articulated, the price shoots up. Taking into account Studio Myr is not an expert in CGI, and as such would have to hire people that work on that, and the price rises even more. There's a reason Voltron seems so stiff most of the time.

Not the wisest creative choice, imo, but well, it is what it is, and a 2D Voltron might have looked weird with the castle of Lions and Galra ships all being CGI, anyways...

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3017: Oct 10th 2018 at 7:51:20 AM

[up][up]I would say more a lack of talent. If I’ve learned anything from this show’s production it’s that you should really be mindful of what a studio is capable of rather than look at past successes and decide that they’re going to fit into whatever hole you put into them. This is all technical mind you, but they didn’t have the means, the budget, or in several cases, the desire to make these all encompassing space battles. Now they’re re-using assets which puts the blame firmly in said technical category.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3018: Oct 10th 2018 at 11:30:35 AM

[up][up][up] It's 100% budget. They are solid-enough CG animators when it counts, but they even had to cut down on the total number of Sincline ships for budget reasons.

TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#3019: Oct 10th 2018 at 3:02:43 PM

Oh, right I remember that now.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3020: Oct 17th 2018 at 2:40:07 PM

In hindsight I’m questioning if a hybrid approach like the one SSSS.GRIDMɅN used would be preferable. 2D to 3D and a focus on things like weight, like heft, etc. 2D fills in a key visual to look more dynamic, to save some cash, and then focus on rendering the model.

Or would that look weird?

Edited by Beatman1 on Oct 17th 2018 at 5:45:23 AM

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#3021: Oct 21st 2018 at 5:07:54 PM

I was thinking about watching this. But I wanted to see if the original Voltron first, but I can't find a way to watch the original version, so now I'm wondering if it's worth it.

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TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Some nights I rule the world
#3022: Oct 21st 2018 at 6:06:03 PM

The original's kinda a "you had to be there" sorta thing now. Purely Monster of the Week, cheesy voice acting, etc. And it's not really required watching since the reboot largely does its own thing.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3023: Oct 21st 2018 at 6:13:20 PM

The original series is legally on You Tube.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#3024: Oct 22nd 2018 at 4:28:35 PM

[up]Neat, thanks.

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#3025: Oct 23rd 2018 at 9:52:40 AM

I wanted to start watching this show because of Shiro since i figured itd be the Korra for guys. Is that the case?


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