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TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world... from on the street.
Some nights I rule the world...
Aug 18th 2018 at 4:48:55 PM

I'm honestly more frustrated with the fact that any critique I have of the show's action quotient tends to get horribly misunderstood to the point I wonder if it's a deliberate misreading than I am with the show itself.

"If you're out here why do I miss you so much?"
Aug 19th 2018 at 9:30:39 AM

[up]I feel like some people view criticism of the action as ďThis show needs X amount of giant robot action or else itís doing it wrongĒ as opposed to the more accurate ďthe way the fights are framed fail to take advantage of the premise and come across as anti-climactic and nowhere near as grandiose as they could.Ē

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
Aug 20th 2018 at 12:57:09 PM

That would be because that line of criticism is often used as a cover for "I want this show to be about something else," which results in people taking legitimate criticism - should it exist - less seriously because it appears from an outside perspective to be simply part of the bandwagon.

You could argue that, like most cases of this sort of thing, its partially enabled by the criticizing part of the fandom, who condones louder but more subpar critics because they superficially agree, and thus allows themselves to be percieved that way.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 20th 2018 at 1:01:31 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
AegisP Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Aug 20th 2018 at 3:56:41 PM

I've never seen anyone in this fandom that "condones louder but more subpar critics because they superficially agree", although that could be because Im not entirely sure what you mean. And I've seen shit in this fandom.

Too late, I'm already judging you. Here I go judging. Ahem. "That person spells 'Mmm' with seven M's. What a weirdo."
Aug 20th 2018 at 4:58:35 PM

[up][up]I have to agree. I get reminded a lot of the people who say stuff like Batman would be better if he weren't a superhero and were instead about Bruce Wayne using his wealth and influence to fix Gotham from the ground up. That's an interesting story but it's also not what Batman is about. So if this late in the game the complaint is still that Voltron doesn't have enough robot fights, then I feel like there's other stuff those people can be watching.

AegisP Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Aug 20th 2018 at 5:02:55 PM

I hate the take the side of the "haters" but shouldnt that also apply for the producers, as in Voltron isnt the thing they should be making if they are not interested in robot fights?

Too late, I'm already judging you. Here I go judging. Ahem. "That person spells 'Mmm' with seven M's. What a weirdo."
Aug 20th 2018 at 5:05:18 PM

[up][up]Thatís the issue Iím saying. Itís not quantity thatís the big problem, itís quality. If youíre going to do 1-2 fights a season, they should be more impressive than they are. Itís fine to take the less is more approach but what they have then should mean more.

[up]In theory, yes.

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 20th 2018 at 8:09:00 AM

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world... from on the street.
Some nights I rule the world...
Aug 20th 2018 at 6:48:32 PM

Frankly by the above analogy I find the series is more like having a Batman movie that's heavily advertised with Batman (as all Batman media is), but actually being about Bruce Wayne solving problems using his wealth and influence, with some out-of-suit kung fu here and there, until ten minutes before the credits roll, where he dons the suit only for the Joker to throw him around like a rag doll until he pulls Joker Repellent out of his utility belt.

Edited by TheGunheart on Aug 20th 2018 at 7:08:34 AM

"If you're out here why do I miss you so much?"
Aug 24th 2018 at 3:45:19 PM

I was looking on the Voltron wiki about what Bayards grant what powers, and it says that at one point the green, red, blue and yellow Bayards were all activated to form a giant scimitar? I don't remember that happening, but because of the way this show is released I have a hard time remembering important details from early in the shows run.

BackSet1 The Return of the Old Avatar from The Archipelago Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
The Return of the Old Avatar
Aug 24th 2018 at 4:20:45 PM

Pretty sure it was the final zarkon fight.

"That would be stupid. We're not going to do that."
Aug 24th 2018 at 4:32:21 PM

No, that was just red and black together making a fire sword. The article says they used the scimitar to carve through a Galran battleship.

I'm really not sure how I feel about this season. There were parts I liked and parts I really didn't like. And there were dumb bits, like when Voltron gets hit with those planet destroying cannons and it just knocks them out of commission. Then the Atlas takes the combined forces of the six cannons and just holds it off despite the weapon supposedly being able to vaporize Earth. And I'm pretty sure that at one point they say the Milky Way Galaxy and the Solar System are the same thing.

Edited by WillKeaton on Aug 24th 2018 at 5:32:09 AM

Aug 24th 2018 at 4:47:09 PM

They talk about the Sol system while showing the Milky Way. I suspect that was a bit of miscommunication between artists and writers.

BackSet1 The Return of the Old Avatar from The Archipelago Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
The Return of the Old Avatar
Aug 24th 2018 at 5:32:16 PM

My reaction to this season:

[[spoiler: Shiro: Adam died :( Me: I don't give a s***! You're boyfriend got two lines! Two! Lines! His death amounts to nothing!]]

Sendak's pulling one hell of a batman gambit. Nice going.

That's the Milky Way galaxy you idiot! Not the Solar System!

How did all those aliens get there so fast?

Holy s*** the Atlas! I saw that coming but I did not see that coming!

Can we please have it be revealed that whats-her-name is Kieth's sister! You know, the one who's non-galra parent is unknown.

So are the other two generals lesbian or is it a sisterly relationship or what?

Where the hell is Hagar! What's she doing!

Holy hell! A robeast! We haven't seen one of these since season 1! And it took voltron and the atlas to kill it!

10 bucks says Hagar made it.

So, hey, we know what happened to the other Altaens at that refuge! I think.

Where did Coran get that crystal? Has he always had it?

Allura's headband crystal thing being used as a powersource for Shiro's new arm made sort of sense but I didn't see it coming.

Woot! Flashbacks! And a Hunk Episode!

Hunk's girlfriend is back.

I seriously thought they were going to kill Shiro in that Sendak fight after what happened to Adam.

Cosmo the Space Wolf!

And that's what I think.

Edited by BackSet1 on Aug 24th 2018 at 5:33:55 AM

"That would be stupid. We're not going to do that."
Aug 24th 2018 at 5:49:01 PM

That crystal was created when the Castle of Lions was destroyed. I think they had to close the portal to that other dimension and it collapsed into a singularity?

Aug 24th 2018 at 6:00:59 PM

[up][up]Writers confirmed Keith and Acxa arenít related.

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
BackSet1 The Return of the Old Avatar from The Archipelago Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
The Return of the Old Avatar
Aug 24th 2018 at 6:35:49 PM

[up]dammit.

"That would be stupid. We're not going to do that."
OmegaRadiance Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Aug 24th 2018 at 6:43:08 PM

I mean if it's a twist there's no way they'd reveal it. But god while its unlikely she looks too much like them and how little interaction they've had for me to think the ship makes sense.

AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Aug 24th 2018 at 7:12:47 PM

Really feels like they were so deathly afraid of bogging the show down with too much romance after what happened with Korra, that ironically they ended up repeating the same mistakes as Bryke did with Korrasami, only even more extreme, and without the excuse of Getting Crap Past the Radar this time.

Ironically Shiro and Adam's romance managed to communicate quite a lot more depth and believability despite Adam's miniscule screentime and the known censorship issues surrounding that. It doesn't help that Acxa is a very poorly characterized character to begin with, and unlike Keith you can't blame that on Executive Meddling.

Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 24th 2018 at 10:14:51 AM

TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world... from on the street.
Some nights I rule the world...
Aug 24th 2018 at 8:44:23 PM

Plus Keith X Acxa is basically born from a major Pet-Peeve Trope of mine: the Rescue Romance.

The ship-smiting scimitar was in season 2, and only in season 2, oddly enough. From the episode about the tardigrades trying to escape their doomed home planet, along with their assault on Zarkon's fortress. Oddly I recall the fire sword was made out of using all five Bayards after the sword had already been drawn.

"If you're out here why do I miss you so much?"
Aug 25th 2018 at 2:43:10 PM

I think it's really only going to compound the criticism if Keith and her end up together after what happened with Adam. The excuse the creative staff and even the actors have been using is that Voltron isn't a show about romance and that in war people die, but it's gonna look really bad if the token gay character is still single after they killed off his boyfriend, while we get a happy straight couple at the end of all of this.

Honestly, this probably would've been a lot better received in a pre-Steven Universe landscape, but that show proved to be such a game changer that other series can no longer really get away with breadcrumbs and act like that's super progressive.

Edited by comicwriter on Aug 25th 2018 at 2:45:49 AM

BackSet1 The Return of the Old Avatar from The Archipelago Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
The Return of the Old Avatar
Aug 25th 2018 at 3:32:04 PM

This is the reason why I'm going to fight tooth and nail to let me have a Trans character in my show when I pitch it!

Because if I don't something like this will happen and the character will be about as progressive as someone on a treadmill.

Edited by BackSet1 on Aug 25th 2018 at 3:32:12 AM

"That would be stupid. We're not going to do that."
Darthwyn Lord Duma's faithful from The void Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Lord Duma's faithful
Aug 25th 2018 at 4:24:28 PM

With how much people talk about Keith X Acxa it makes me think I missed a bunch of scenes that telegraphed this ship.

Celica: You will fight. You will survive. ÖAlm.
Aug 25th 2018 at 4:30:11 PM

[up]Itís been subtle as hell but a connection has been built since Season 2. The problem is Shiro railroading seasons 3-6 kept any real overt storyline from being built. If they had something overt itíd be obvious but now itís just thrown on people.

Still, beats the alternative.

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 25th 2018 at 7:31:28 AM

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
BackSet1 The Return of the Old Avatar from The Archipelago Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
The Return of the Old Avatar
Aug 25th 2018 at 4:35:30 PM

What's the alternative?

"That would be stupid. We're not going to do that."
Durazno All business! from Academia Relationship Status: Drift compatible
All business!
Aug 25th 2018 at 4:44:19 PM

Keith/Acxa coming out of literally nowhere?

Keith/Acxa eating up a third of the plot of those seasons?

There are a couple of alternatives that would be worse, I think, not that this is a particularly good one.


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