That issue was brought up in a PM Poptard sent me once when I foolishly tried adding Japanese voice actors to the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic character pages. Poptard's rationalization, "This rule doesn't apply to things like anime and japenese videogames because it doesn't," has always bothered me for its arbitrariness, even though it was supposedly established by consensus.
@Prfnoff: Because back then, it was not a big problem since you can put non-original foreign voice actors in the "Hey its that voice" section without too much hassle. But since they have changed the rules, much of that information will be lost and the only way to include it would be in the Characters sections, something that it would look cluttered.
Is Hey, It's That Sound! covered by this, or is that a problem-free trope?
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Hey, It's That Sound! isn't being addressed by this thread, even though it comes alphabetically in between Hey Its That Guy and Hey Its That Voice. Its existence, if not so much its name, can be justified by the fact that this wiki does not provide separate pages for most sound effects (with Wilhelm Scream being one of the few exceptions).
edited 25th Mar '16 5:22:37 PM by Prfnoff
I always thought that the way Hey Its That Voice and Hey Its That Guy were used were rather informative, as being informed that certain characters were played by certain actors helped draw my attention to video games, cartoons, and the like that I otherwise wouldn't have been aware of.
On a side note, I feel that action is taken somewhat premature. I've seen the Hey Its That Voice entries on the Trivia pages for Beast Wars and Darkwing Duck deleted even though Hey Its That Voice is still up and running. I don't think the entries should be removed until the page itself is actually gone.
Question - I saw that this had been removed from Bennett the Sage, and I wanted to know if there was something that that info would fit under since he's essentially invoking the trope for comedic effect at least once.
Okay, so Hey Its That Voice is fine (since they may use different voices), but what's wrong with Hey Its That Guy?
I take issue with the removal if only for the sheer quantities of trivia that will be lost, or at the very least copy-pasted from history tabs. It all feels rather unnecessary and is more work than it would solve.
Especially long running anime or shows big on varied casts, where there's legitimately useful information on who played who. It's both fun and informative so getting rid of it just feels like a mistake.
Isn't role association supposed to replace the trope?If so why can't we just put those entries back under the trope? I can't stress enough how much information is being thrown out here.
IMDB and The Other Wiki are great resources if you want useful information about cast lists and actors' other roles.
You are welcome to add to the Role Association page whenever you like, but be aware that, as a Just for Fun page and not a trope, Role Association should never be added as an example on a work page or subpage.
I don't visit IMDB any more, as I've seen quite a few fake attributions and even entirely fake projects on there. I consider this site much more reputable. So I was honestly really disappointed to see the trope gone. Considering the fact that a lot of "Hey, It's That Guy/Voice" listings were also for actors/actresses that don't have their own page here, it was especially helpful. I also don't think Role Association serves the same purpose, because different actors are known for different roles by different people.
If it were me, at least, I'd bring it back, just more organized:
The character entry and/or Trivia page would have a link to the actor's name (original language dub first, followed by foreign dubs). If they don't have a TV Tropes page yet, link to their IMDB page.
Redo "Hey, It's That Guy" and "...That Voice" into one page, allowing for entries on actors who do a lot of both (like J.K. Simmons). Sort entries into the following:
- English-language actors
- Japanese-language actors
- Other foreign language actors
- Deceased actors
edited 20th Apr '16 9:05:46 AM by GovernorExplosion
“Dude, sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something!” - Jake the DogWhy when a decision is taken, do we get all these people who see the left-side of the forum like some mysterious place, and don't understand HERE is where decisions are made. It is NOT the listing of voice actors or actresses that was the problem (except if they didn't fit the description on the Trope's page), it was this sort of thing:
Professor X Xavier was once a Starship Captain.
Things wrong with this example
- The words "Patrick Stewart" don't appear anywhere in the example, making it Fan Myopia.
- Patrick Stewart, being a very famous actor like his friend Ian Mckellen, goes in All-Star Cast, if you're in there, you're not a "That Guy" according to the definition we tried (and failed) to impose.
- This was meant to be used for a guy who starred in one or two big roles then played bit parts, or the other way round, not "every single person in the movie." It wasn't meant to be used as a Cast List.
I see nothing wrong with putting a list of voice actors on the Characters pages for the various dubs at the bottom of the page. Just remember original and English are the two most important. (or original and language the writer listened to it in, for things that haven't been dubbed into English)
edited 25th Apr '16 7:59:37 AM by TheOneWhoTropes
Keeper of The Celestial FlameSorry if this is a bit late, but should we give Retroactive Recognition a look? It's largely the same as HITG & HITV.
Peace is the only battle worth waging.Retroactive Recognition seems like legitimate trivia, despite being described and indexed as an Audience Reaction, since it's limited to pre-breakout roles.
I did an informal wick check
of 20 samples (chosen by the highly scientific method of spinning my scroll wheel down and clicking whatever link my cursor happened to be pointed on) to see if it's worth doing a full wick check of Retroactive Recognition.
Findings:
- YMMV.As Good As It Gets - Zero Context Example; only lists actors' names with no other context
- YMMV.Brain Dead - Zero Context Example; refers only to character names, not their actors at all, and as far as I can tell none of these actors were ever really breakout stars who might commonly be retroactively recognized. Probably a better candidate for The Cameo.
- YMMV.Clerks The Animated Series - Appears valid.
- YMMV.Doctor Who - Long list of "this actor also played this other part" of the type that caused HITG/V to be merged into JustForFun.Role Association.
- Trivia.Farscape - Long list of "this actor also played this other part" with no other context.
- YMMV.Hardy Boys Nancy Drew Mysteries - Appears valid.
- YMMV.It - Zero Context Example; only gives actors' names with no other context.
- Film.Little Darlings - Pot Hole in a Granola Girl entry that also happens to be a ZCE. Insufficient context to determine use/misuse.
- YMMV.Mississippi Burning - list of "this actor also played this other part" with no other context.
- YMMV.Obsessed - Pot Hole in a rather confusing and poorly-written Billing Displacement example. Probably valid as far as it goes.
- YMMV.Radio Active - ZCE; mentions an actor's other part but not the actor's character in this work or his name.
- YMMV.Shaun White Skateboarding - ZCE; links to another work in a Pot Hole, no other mention of actor's or characters' names. Extreme Fan Myopia in other words.
- YMMV.Swing Kids - ZCE; gives actors' names but not parts and does not explain why they might be retroactively recognized.
- YMMV.The Jeff Foxworthy Show - ZCE; just "[actor] plays [character]"
- YMMV.The Outer Limits 1963 S 1 E 10 Nightmare - ZCE; just "[actor] plays [character]"
- YMMV.Total Recall 1990 - ZCE; just "[actor] plays [character]"
- Trivia.Wimbledon - ZCE; links to another work in a Pot Hole, gives characters' names but not actor's.
- YMMV.Wild And Crazy Kids - Probable misuse; actor is merely the brother of a much-more-famous actor, not someone very recognizable.
- YMMV.Virtuosity - Three examples, two of which are conflated into one bullet point. One of them is probably legit but pretty context-light; the other two are probable misuse.
- YMMV.Troop Beverly Hills - Full context, but probable shoehorns; I didn't find any of the names very recognizable.
Conclusion: There are enough problems there to warrant further investigation, but I'd recommend putting it on the backburner until the HITG/V cleanup is complete, since that's already a very large project that's going pretty slowly.
We're going quick. We're down to under 1400 on HITV, and HITG is under 2000, from OVER 9000 wicks between them. And I mean literally over 9000 (>5000 in HITG and >4000 in HITV.) Bear in mind, I've only seen 4 people working on it, freshmeat, myself, Morgenthaler and Prfnoff. There might have been a fifth person. But that's bloody good going for 5 people.
edited 25th Apr '16 3:48:26 PM by TheOneWhoTropes
Keeper of The Celestial FlameI didn't mean that as a criticism; it's a huge job, and the amount of progress so far is impressive.. Still, probably best to keep on that before moving on to Retroactive Recognition.
Crown Description:
What would be the best way to fix the page?

@Berrenta: The problem here is regarding non-original voice actors, since if it will include each and every voice actor from almost each country on earth in the characters page, it will look too cluttered, unless someone could think in a better method without incurring into unfortunate implications if we exclude non-original actors as well.
edited 21st Mar '16 8:59:29 PM by luisedgarf