TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Misused: Hey Its That Voice

Go To

luisedgarf from Mexico Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#101: Mar 21st 2016 at 8:58:56 PM

@Berrenta: The problem here is regarding non-original voice actors, since if it will include each and every voice actor from almost each country on earth in the characters page, it will look too cluttered, unless someone could think in a better method without incurring into unfortunate implications if we exclude non-original actors as well.

edited 21st Mar '16 8:59:29 PM by luisedgarf

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#102: Mar 22nd 2016 at 5:17:45 AM

[up]That issue was brought up in a PM Poptard sent me once when I foolishly tried adding Japanese voice actors to the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic character pages. Poptard's rationalization, "This rule doesn't apply to things like anime and japenese videogames because it doesn't," has always bothered me for its arbitrariness, even though it was supposedly established by consensus.

luisedgarf from Mexico Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#103: Mar 22nd 2016 at 10:54:13 AM

@Prfnoff: Because back then, it was not a big problem since you can put non-original foreign voice actors in the "Hey its that voice" section without too much hassle. But since they have changed the rules, much of that information will be lost and the only way to include it would be in the Characters sections, something that it would look cluttered.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#104: Mar 25th 2016 at 3:35:21 PM

Is Hey, It's That Sound! covered by this, or is that a problem-free trope?

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#105: Mar 25th 2016 at 5:19:53 PM

Hey, It's That Sound! isn't being addressed by this thread, even though it comes alphabetically in between Hey Its That Guy and Hey Its That Voice. Its existence, if not so much its name, can be justified by the fact that this wiki does not provide separate pages for most sound effects (with Wilhelm Scream being one of the few exceptions).

edited 25th Mar '16 5:22:37 PM by Prfnoff

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#106: Mar 26th 2016 at 11:42:22 AM

That's fine. I'll skip over those when I see them.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
CaptainTedium Since: Oct, 2012
#107: Apr 4th 2016 at 1:41:32 AM

I always thought that the way Hey Its That Voice and Hey Its That Guy were used were rather informative, as being informed that certain characters were played by certain actors helped draw my attention to video games, cartoons, and the like that I otherwise wouldn't have been aware of.

On a side note, I feel that action is taken somewhat premature. I've seen the Hey Its That Voice entries on the Trivia pages for Beast Wars and Darkwing Duck deleted even though Hey Its That Voice is still up and running. I don't think the entries should be removed until the page itself is actually gone.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#109: Apr 4th 2016 at 9:46:52 AM

Question - I saw that this had been removed from Bennett the Sage, and I wanted to know if there was something that that info would fit under since he's essentially invoking the trope for comedic effect at least once.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#110: Apr 8th 2016 at 9:36:09 AM

Okay, so Hey Its That Voice is fine (since they may use different voices), but what's wrong with Hey Its That Guy?

brb1006 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#111: Apr 9th 2016 at 4:45:36 PM

At least got for a clean up and not get ride of them entirely.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#112: Apr 18th 2016 at 1:17:47 PM

I take issue with the removal if only for the sheer quantities of trivia that will be lost, or at the very least copy-pasted from history tabs. It all feels rather unnecessary and is more work than it would solve.

Especially long running anime or shows big on varied casts, where there's legitimately useful information on who played who. It's both fun and informative so getting rid of it just feels like a mistake.

Isn't role association supposed to replace the trope?If so why can't we just put those entries back under the trope? I can't stress enough how much information is being thrown out here.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#113: Apr 18th 2016 at 2:19:18 PM

IMDB and The Other Wiki are great resources if you want useful information about cast lists and actors' other roles.

You are welcome to add to the Role Association page whenever you like, but be aware that, as a Just for Fun page and not a trope, Role Association should never be added as an example on a work page or subpage.

GovernorExplosion Level 9 Half-Elf Chirurgeon from United States of America Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Level 9 Half-Elf Chirurgeon
#114: Apr 20th 2016 at 9:04:49 AM

I don't visit IMDB any more, as I've seen quite a few fake attributions and even entirely fake projects on there. I consider this site much more reputable. So I was honestly really disappointed to see the trope gone. Considering the fact that a lot of "Hey, It's That Guy/Voice" listings were also for actors/actresses that don't have their own page here, it was especially helpful. I also don't think Role Association serves the same purpose, because different actors are known for different roles by different people.

If it were me, at least, I'd bring it back, just more organized:

The character entry and/or Trivia page would have a link to the actor's name (original language dub first, followed by foreign dubs). If they don't have a TV Tropes page yet, link to their IMDB page.

Redo "Hey, It's That Guy" and "...That Voice" into one page, allowing for entries on actors who do a lot of both (like J.K. Simmons). Sort entries into the following:

  • English-language actors
  • Japanese-language actors
  • Other foreign language actors
  • Deceased actors

edited 20th Apr '16 9:05:46 AM by GovernorExplosion

“Dude, sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something!” - Jake the Dog
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#115: Apr 21st 2016 at 8:40:21 AM

While I'm glad you find us trustworthy, our goal as a site is not to duplicate IMDB. Also, the discussion on what to do with these tropes is closed. All that this thread is for is for cleanup.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
luisedgarf from Mexico Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#116: Apr 21st 2016 at 12:11:45 PM

@shimaspawn In that case, we should remove all the pages about actors as well, taking into account what you said.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#117: Apr 21st 2016 at 12:14:16 PM

Actor pages have more scopes than duplicating IMDB, as much as several pages look like clones indeed.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
luisedgarf from Mexico Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#118: Apr 21st 2016 at 12:24:44 PM

Do you have a better idea other than cluttering the characters pages with each and every voice actor on Earth?

Another (bad) idea is removing all non-original actors and leaving only the original ones, even the American ones from American dubs of anime or foreign media.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#119: Apr 21st 2016 at 12:32:59 PM

99% of character pages will list one, maybe two voice actors if that. It generally fits on one line. The only time it gets crazy is when a work has been going on for so long that things get crazy anyway.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty from Newton-le-willows, quaint town Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
#120: Apr 21st 2016 at 4:22:15 PM

Why when a decision is taken, do we get all these people who see the left-side of the forum like some mysterious place, and don't understand HERE is where decisions are made. It is NOT the listing of voice actors or actresses that was the problem (except if they didn't fit the description on the Trope's page), it was this sort of thing:

Professor X Xavier was once a Starship Captain.

Things wrong with this example

  1. The words "Patrick Stewart" don't appear anywhere in the example, making it Fan Myopia.
  2. Patrick Stewart, being a very famous actor like his friend Ian Mckellen, goes in All-Star Cast, if you're in there, you're not a "That Guy" according to the definition we tried (and failed) to impose.
  3. This was meant to be used for a guy who starred in one or two big roles then played bit parts, or the other way round, not "every single person in the movie." It wasn't meant to be used as a Cast List.

I see nothing wrong with putting a list of voice actors on the Characters pages for the various dubs at the bottom of the page. Just remember original and English are the two most important. (or original and language the writer listened to it in, for things that haven't been dubbed into English)

edited 25th Apr '16 7:59:37 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

Keeper of The Celestial Flame
Spinosegnosaurus77 Ramen Fairy from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Ramen Fairy
#121: Apr 25th 2016 at 11:36:10 AM

Sorry if this is a bit late, but should we give Retroactive Recognition a look? It's largely the same as HITG & HITV.

Peace is the only battle worth waging.
Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#122: Apr 25th 2016 at 11:47:42 AM

Retroactive Recognition seems like legitimate trivia, despite being described and indexed as an Audience Reaction, since it's limited to pre-breakout roles.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#123: Apr 25th 2016 at 2:01:59 PM

I did an informal wick check of 20 samples (chosen by the highly scientific method of spinning my scroll wheel down and clicking whatever link my cursor happened to be pointed on) to see if it's worth doing a full wick check of Retroactive Recognition.

Findings:

Conclusion: There are enough problems there to warrant further investigation, but I'd recommend putting it on the backburner until the HITG/V cleanup is complete, since that's already a very large project that's going pretty slowly.

TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty from Newton-le-willows, quaint town Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
#124: Apr 25th 2016 at 3:46:33 PM

We're going quick. We're down to under 1400 on HITV, and HITG is under 2000, from OVER 9000 wicks between them. And I mean literally over 9000 (>5000 in HITG and >4000 in HITV.) Bear in mind, I've only seen 4 people working on it, freshmeat, myself, Morgenthaler and Prfnoff. There might have been a fifth person. But that's bloody good going for 5 people.

edited 25th Apr '16 3:48:26 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

Keeper of The Celestial Flame
HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#125: Apr 25th 2016 at 3:51:40 PM

I didn't mean that as a criticism; it's a huge job, and the amount of progress so far is impressive.. Still, probably best to keep on that before moving on to Retroactive Recognition.

PageAction: HeyItsThatVoice
13th Feb '16 7:15:37 AM

Crown Description:

What would be the best way to fix the page?

Total posts: 154
Top