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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#51: Feb 13th 2016 at 7:25:23 AM

I know our last attempt at fixing these tropes didn't turn out so well, thanks in large part to a rather flabbergasting Executive Veto. However, I think it's worth another try, and so I have made a new Page Action crowner.

Proposals deliberately omitted from the crowner include outright cutting (thousands of inbounds tend to rule that out), false-redlinking (which might or might not be doable in conjunction with merger/example removal), and the redefinitions suggested by Memers (not specific enough, I'm afraid).

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#52: Feb 13th 2016 at 7:27:15 AM

Not sure what's so "flabbergasting" about that veto. TV Tropes is not meant to be a purely serious website, some jokey stuff is OK.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#53: Feb 13th 2016 at 7:59:25 AM

Hey Its That Guy needs a tag or something added to the page so that people know it's being discussed here before I can add the crowner. Unfortunately attaching the same thread to more than one page still doesn't work.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#54: Feb 13th 2016 at 10:33:57 AM

Just make a TRS thread for it and link it here.

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#55: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:44:01 PM

[up]Unfortunately, it seems I can't do that. I keep getting 500 server errors.

edited 13th Feb '16 2:44:10 PM by Prfnoff

ObsidianFire Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#56: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:53:27 PM

There's currently a bug that prevents making new repair shop/image picking threads.

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#57: Feb 14th 2016 at 1:55:27 AM

@52: What's puzzling to me is the subsequent refusal (in general, not necessarily in particular) to at least rewrite the trope page so that it actually reflects its current jokey nature. Instead, it's still described as something hardly anyone uses it as. That's the part that gets me.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#58: Feb 14th 2016 at 6:26:12 AM

I get a server error when I try to vote on the crowner. Given that all options are at 0 votes I'm guessing I'm not the only one.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#59: Feb 15th 2016 at 10:34:01 PM

So, using those definitions you proposed, how would you write an example entry for the Trivia?

As an example of both umm something like

  • You wouldn't other wise be able to tell under the full body prosthetics that were enhance with CGI and heavy voice alteration but the guy under Unkar Plutt in Star Wars The Force Awakens is actually Simon Pegg.

  • You otherwise wouldnt notice it under the mask but the Stormtrooper that got Jedi Mind Tricked in Star Wars The Force Awakens is played by Daniel Craig, the only nod to this is in the expanded materials where his ID is JD-007.

edited 15th Feb '16 11:05:10 PM by Memers

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#60: Feb 16th 2016 at 3:16:54 PM

Actor Allusion covers the second example.

Both examples look like "you wouldn't know it because X, but.." is just added onto existing examples. Where X can be "so much younger", "has a tan", "before they were famous", "they lost weight for the role", "they wore a different hairstyle", etc...

Sometimes X s a trope, sometimes it is PSOC. I'm in Splitter mode for this idea; big name actors that are hard to recognize because of makeup/costuming that obscures their face sounds like a trivia-trope. Other X count on a case-by-case basis, IMO.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#61: Feb 16th 2016 at 3:36:18 PM

Since the bug is fixed, we could create the thread for Hey Its That Guy and link to this thread, as discussed earlier. Then we can get the crowner hooked up.

I may go ahead and get that thread going if it's alright with everyone (or if someone wants to do the honors, that's fine too).

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#62: Feb 16th 2016 at 7:04:58 PM

[up][up] Actor Allusion is when you get an actor to play something and make references to previous works and stuff like that. What I wrote had nothing to do with that at all which is more you other wise wouldn't know the actor is there because of various factors such as prosthetics and voice synth.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#64: Feb 17th 2016 at 7:04:57 AM

[up][up] "in the expanded materials where his ID is JD-007." is a reference to his previous work.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#65: Feb 17th 2016 at 7:28:29 AM

That has no point to the matter that underneath the helmet is a famous actor that you otherwise wouldn't actually know who it was because he is completely covered by the Stormtrooper outfit, that's the trope I am talking about.

It's a trivia trope but still it is a trope and I have seen quite a few Hey Its That Guy wicks talking about that.

I brought up several other tropes as well.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#66: Feb 17th 2016 at 7:55:14 AM

You "win" for repeating what I said?

"big name actors that are hard to recognize because of makeup/costuming that obscures their face" still isn't Hey Its That Guy, if that's what you were trying to say.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#67: Feb 17th 2016 at 8:36:05 AM

@63:

Olay, then. Hooking crowner.

hamza678 Red Like Santa from Christmas Beacon. Since: Apr, 2013
Red Like Santa
#68: Feb 17th 2016 at 5:22:53 PM

I got two new ideas for pages. Unrecognizable Actor, for when the character has no way to be recognized as their actor, and Major Actor Minor Role, for a famous actor who plays a minor role.

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HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#69: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:34:51 PM

Pretty sure that latter is just The Cameo.

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#70: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:17:26 AM

[up][up]By the way, if you want to create a new trope, use the YKTTW instead of the sandbox.

Scorpion451 It was like that when I found it. (Edited uphill both ways)
It was like that when I found it.
#71: Feb 20th 2016 at 7:33:17 AM

I'd suggest another option for the crowner:

I'm strongly against removing them as trivia, because they're two of the primary reasons I visit the trivia page. Merging them with Role Association is even worse, as it destroys their value as a source of interesting and amusing trivia by burying them in a bunch of WMG nonsense.

Remember the definition of Trivia: mostly useless but mildly interesting factoids, like the fact that Mark Hamil played both the Joker and Luke Skywalker. They are not tropes, and never have been tropes. They are trivia.

edited 20th Feb '16 7:34:59 AM by Scorpion451

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#72: Feb 20th 2016 at 9:36:35 AM

I think we can call this now. The crowner speaks for itself.

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#73: Feb 20th 2016 at 9:49:46 AM

[up]I'd rather keep it open at this moment. It's only really been up for three days (even though I technically posted it a few days before), and the decision is bound to have a rather large impact.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#74: Feb 24th 2016 at 1:05:27 AM

It's been a week (technically 6 days and 16ish hours) and the crowner has not really changed from "kill them merge tropes into Role Association and remove examples from Trivia pages". I think we can definitely call this now.

edited 24th Feb '16 1:07:33 AM by Karxrida

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#75: Feb 24th 2016 at 6:02:53 AM

[up]My thoughts too. However, before tropers start deleting examples to Trivia pages, I would like to recommend that examples, where possible, be converted to more specific trivia items such as Celebrity Voice Actor, Relationship Voice Actor or Stunt Casting.

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13th Feb '16 7:15:37 AM

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What would be the best way to fix the page?

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