I hollered your post to see if the mods think the clock should be removed.
Is there a reason Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly hasn't been made a redirect yet?
Also, what is to be done about music wicks to Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly? For example, all remaining wicks in the Film namespace are about soundtracks or in-universe bands. Should these be changed to Genre Mashup or left as is?
Edit: As for the unsorted Genre-Busting examples, here's my opinion on what on the list counts as legit Genre-Busting examples. Everything else is just Genre Mashup. This is a strict list and there are some borderline cases that haven't been included, but I'd be ok with keeping on Genre-Busting.
- Blondie (example of both, but counts as Genre-Busting imo because they created new genres)
- Mr. Bungle etc...
- They Might Be Giants
- Bauhaus
- Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart
- The Beatles
- Tangerine Dream
- Bethlehem
Edited by naturalironist on Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:42:28 AM
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Since you asked, I made it a redirect.
Edit: Dewicked Main/ wicks except for a ghost wick (asked about that in the Locked Pages thread). I'm going to take a break.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 23rd 2019 at 12:36:16 PM
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From ~crazysamaritan (2016):
Genres fit into the trope list the same way title tropes fit. Whereas the context of the title trope is the title itself, the context of the genre trope is the work itself. Watching the show or reading the book gives sufficient information for how the given work fits into the genre. That is, you could list the properties of the work in the example as sufficient context regarding its genre. Doing this for many works will allow you to group them into a specific genre.
Thus, Genre is a trope — an Aggregate Trope — and for that reason, so is Genre Mashup. But let me expand on that regarding Genre Mashup.
Watching shows in a given genre would give you sufficient knowledge of the elements of that genre. Applying this to two genres, you'd know at least the basic elements of those given genres. So when watching a show that mashes two genres, you should be able to identify the elements of those genres, and those elements would be sufficient context for how Genre Mashup applies — that is, the knowledge required to identify something as this trope is wholly contained within genres (or "works in aggregate").note
This applies whether it's straight (i.e. two older genres mashed into one new) or inverted (i.e. one older genre generating two new). I admit that inversions here are theoretical and probably wouldn't happen, but it's important to include.
So now the question is what is Genre-Busting (as a trope)? It's when two genres are mashed to create a new genre. However, you cannot tell by the works alone that the "new" genre came before or after the other genres.note It may seem that the older genres were in fact split off from the newer genre. The mashing would seem to be just that, Genre Mashup played straight or inverted. That is, it could look like a "genre splitting" which we would normally count as Genre Mashup but played with.
Thus, Genre-Busting requires knowledge you cannot get from merely reading the book or watching the show. You need RL context — namely historical context — to identify the concept as Genre-Busting.
Also, before I forget, Genre Killer is the inverse of Genre-Busting, where a work ends an existing genre (rather than a work starts a new one). Note that Genre Killer is already Trivia.
I think the clean-up effort of this TRS thread supports this claim regarding its status as Trivia, because there have already been people saying they need more information to figure out whether the work was Busting or Mashing. I am arguing that it is Mashing, and you need to know the previous and the new genres in order to label the work as Busting.
These are essentially the same concept, but I am arguing that they are different because one is a trope and another is Trivia.
Regarding Mix And Match, it seems like the JFF version of this.
TL;DR:
- Genre Mashup is an Aggregate Trope, similar to how Genre is an Aggregate Trope.
- You can tell whether a work "mashes" or "splits" a genre, merely from the works in the three genres.
- You cannot tell whether a work "busts" ("mashes") a genre or whether a work "kills" ("splits") a genre merely from the works in the given genres.
- However, you can tell whether a work busts/kills a genre given outside context, namely historical context.
- The inversion of Genre-Busting is Genre Killer, and Genre Killer is already labeled as Trivia.
- Thus, while Genre Mashup is a trope, Genre-Busting is Trivia.
- As an aside, I think Mix And Match is Just for Fun.
I aggregate Genre differently; Genre isn't made from multiple works with similar thematic elements, it is made from using tropes with similar thematic elements. A work that is using 80% of the genre's tropes is still that genre. Taking The Western and adding in a ghost or Cosmic Horror turns it into a Weird West story.
Each subgenre is characterized by the use of certain tropes and sometimes by the absence of others. They often incorporate setting tropes, but also plot tropes and Character Tropes.
So since Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly is now a redirect to Genre Mashup, is there anything left to do here? Cleaning wicks, maybe?
Edited by Serac on Sep 10th 2020 at 11:04:14 AM
Iirc wicks to Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly are acceptable if the example refers to music, otherwise they should be moved to Genre Mashup. So as per this post
the film and music wicks are ok. Other namespaces still need to be cleaned.
The majority of Genre Mashup's wicks are to Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly which seems bad, but most of those are in the music namespace, so not sure how much wick cleanup can be done if we keep the redirect.
Edited by naturalironist on Sep 10th 2020 at 4:01:08 AM
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"Reopened due to how many wicks weren't cleaned up, and due to concerns raised in the TRS meta thread. Also, I think the examples on GenreMashup.Music may still need to be sorted because I think it still had some examples that belong under Genre-Busting instead.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 2nd 2022 at 12:43:56 PM
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What is the best way forward to sort out the issue

Let's finish the merge.
Keet cleanup