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Deadlock Clock: Sep 13th 2020 at 11:59:00 PM
Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Dec 4th 2016 at 12:44:52 PM

Hmm. I'm torn. On the one hand, Genre Mashup is a genre of sorts. (Specifically, a list of two or more genres.) And we do generally put genres above the line. On the other hand, unlike a more conventional genre, Genre Mashup requires details—specifically, which genres are being mashed up.

I'm leaning towards crazysamaritan's suggestion, but I'm not completely sold yet.

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crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Dec 4th 2016 at 1:32:37 PM

My point is that every Genre-Busting work was first a Genre Mashup work: taking elements existing in one genre and applying them in a new context. The distinction between the two is Trivia, specifically Follow the Leader. You cannot tell from the work itself if another work has copied that Genre Mashup, or if enough other works have copied that mix of genres enough to count as it's own genre.

So whenever a work (or series of works) forms a new genre, we would identify the specific Genre being applied in the description, such as Spaghetti Western. The early works would also have information about what Genre elements inspired them, aka "what Genre Mashup occurred to form this genre". Ones that fail to gain a significant number of followers, such as Cowboy Bebop. still gets described as a Genre Mashup by describing what genre elements inspired them.

No specific part of the work can be used to cite genres as a trope; the work itself is the example, and so Genres belong in the description of the work itself, and Genre Mashup is no different.

edited 4th Dec '16 1:34:40 PM by crazysamaritan

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TropesForever the power of the greatest plan shines within you from up north (if you're in Antarctica)
the power of the greatest plan shines within you
SeptimusHeap MOD Farewell, NEOWISE from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Farewell, NEOWISE
Jan 12th 2017 at 1:35:36 AM

Clock is set.

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World's Toughest Milkman
Jan 13th 2017 at 1:09:24 AM

Since we already have a decision to merge in the crowner, I assume the clock is for any last minute suggestions before we start the merge, rather than for closing the discussion?

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SeptimusHeap Farewell, NEOWISE from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Farewell, NEOWISE
Jan 13th 2017 at 1:29:19 AM

No, for closing the discussion as forgotten. There is no point in having a list of work to do if nobody is willing to do it.

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TropesForever the power of the greatest plan shines within you from up north (if you're in Antarctica)
the power of the greatest plan shines within you
Jan 13th 2017 at 12:09:43 PM

...

I'd forgotten completely about the sandbox version. Sorry. I could use some help, though.

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jan 15th 2017 at 12:37:44 PM

Sandbox.Genre Mashup is the page you're working on, right? I think you're looking to expand the definition, give better details for the audience, right?

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World's Toughest Milkman
Jan 15th 2017 at 1:00:49 PM

The description looks ok. It could be fleshed out more, but it's at least adequate to the purpose.

I think the bigger thing is going through the examples to see if they really fit.

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TropesForever the power of the greatest plan shines within you from up north (if you're in Antarctica)
the power of the greatest plan shines within you
Jan 15th 2017 at 1:08:27 PM

Yeah. Some examples are written like they're both Genre Mashup and Genre-Busting. I can't tell if that's really true or just hyperbole. I also need to clean gushing about how great things are because they mix genres.

Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Jan 16th 2017 at 2:01:52 PM

Hmm, the best approach might be to start out being inclusive: if it's not clearly a case of shoehorning, then go ahead and include it. Once we got the proper pages all in the proper places, then we can have a separate cleanup phase if we still feel it's necessary.

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crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jan 16th 2017 at 3:43:37 PM

Some examples are written like they're both Genre Mashup and Genre-Busting.
That goes back to my earlier arguments. tongue

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TropesForever the power of the greatest plan shines within you from up north (if you're in Antarctica)
the power of the greatest plan shines within you
Jan 16th 2017 at 7:46:52 PM

I don't see what's wrong with something being both Genre Mashup and Genre-Busting if neither is misuse. I would go with the sectionectomy if it had enough consensus, but now I'm just continuing as planned.

edited 16th Jan '17 7:47:40 PM by TropesForever

Jan 16th 2017 at 7:54:05 PM

Almost by definition there will always be 1 genre blending that is both. There is always 1 which combined a Role Playing experience with a video game for example and that is the old 1972 game called Adventure.

edited 16th Jan '17 7:55:19 PM by Memers

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jan 26th 2017 at 9:25:02 AM

I moved the sandbox to Main; even if the examples aren't fully cleaned out, that's just normal wiki maintenance. We need to carry out the decisions made by this thread.

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Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:59:27 AM

What is left to do? Are all non-music examples on Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly sorted? Can we move the image to GenreMashup.Music and cut the page?

edited 2nd Mar '17 2:00:05 AM by eroock

TropesForever the power of the greatest plan shines within you from up north (if you're in Antarctica)
the power of the greatest plan shines within you
Mar 2nd 2017 at 12:03:28 PM

They're not sorted yet.

Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:14:13 PM

Which ones are missing that should be there? I noticed some examples were not moved but it seems they were deemed unsuitable for Genre Mashup.

TropesForever the power of the greatest plan shines within you from up north (if you're in Antarctica)
the power of the greatest plan shines within you
Mar 2nd 2017 at 2:10:29 PM

I took all the examples from Genre-Busting, then worked through them to remove ones that aren't examples of Genre Mashup. It's possible that, since the draft has been around for so long, there are new examples that were added to Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly that aren't on Genre Mashup.

Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:29:36 PM

A minor issue. We are still left with sorting the cross wicks for non-music examples.

Mar 3rd 2017 at 9:46:42 AM

Question: Would the examples in Mix and Match worth copying over to Genre Mashup? (With rewriting of course)

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Just walking along
Oct 3rd 2017 at 8:53:56 PM

This has been dormant for months, so bumping for more action towards wick cleaning.

Oct 4th 2017 at 3:34:26 AM

    Non-music pages left to be checked (194) 

edited 4th Oct '17 3:49:05 AM by eroock

SeptimusHeap Farewell, NEOWISE from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Farewell, NEOWISE
Jan 7th 2018 at 10:58:02 AM

Locking per New Year Purge.

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Willbyr MOD
Oct 22nd 2019 at 6:46:35 AM

Unlocked and moved back into action for the merge since an Image Pickin' thread pointed out that the pages are using the same pic.

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