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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#26: Mar 16th 2016 at 7:56:17 PM

Clear, Concise, and Witty in that order. The current name is long on top of being hard to remember due to the use of [insert that word that means word combinations here].

HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#27: Mar 16th 2016 at 9:08:11 PM

[up] Portmanteau?

Also, option 3 has Genre-Busting instead of Genre Mashup as the proposed name. Typo, yes?

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#29: Mar 22nd 2016 at 5:14:26 PM

Any objection to #21 option 3? How much approval does it need?

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#30: Mar 22nd 2016 at 5:21:57 PM

I would prefer option 1, mashing up musical styles is quite different than matching story genres and needs an entirely different description.

Music styles are more akin to Medium Blending than Genre Mashup.

It is especially when you add in how common remixes and additional non-standard instruments to already existing songs like say Metalica's S&M album and such.

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#31: May 1st 2016 at 1:24:30 PM

What's the way forward now? Somebody sidetracked this project by opening a thread for Genre Busting.

edited 1st May '16 1:24:59 PM by eroock

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#32: May 1st 2016 at 1:48:10 PM

More like someone sidetracked the Genre-Busting thread by making this one.

edited 1st May '16 1:49:51 PM by shimaspawn

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#33: May 3rd 2016 at 12:56:42 AM

[up]x2 Broaden the trope so it's not medium-exclusive, and rename it to Genre Mashup since it's less obtuse than the current name.

edited 3rd May '16 12:57:06 AM by Karxrida

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#34: May 4th 2016 at 11:32:58 AM

[up][up] Ooops. tongue

[up] I guess we cannot just decide on something here without taking into account the discussion in the other thread.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#35: May 4th 2016 at 12:21:30 PM

I still think we need medium specific pages for the different types of genres Gameplay, Music and Story specifically. They are all so different from each other and one work might just use one two or all three.

Like say Persona 3 has

edited 4th May '16 12:44:26 PM by Memers

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#36: May 4th 2016 at 9:37:58 PM

So that would be one example with three second level bullets. Why do we need to send readers to three separate pages for that?

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#37: May 4th 2016 at 11:02:40 PM

Its not the same trope, its 3 different tropes in of themselves and a page on all of that would require 3 different descriptions and a clusterfuck of Type 1, Type 2, Type 3 things which is bad.

edited 4th May '16 11:04:50 PM by Memers

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#38: May 5th 2016 at 4:21:01 AM

They are all mashing a bunch of different genres together. What is different there other than medium?

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#39: May 5th 2016 at 6:13:03 AM

Because each genre type is exclusive to that, including them in a single trope would make say a Fantasy RPG with J-Pop ala Final Fantasy X 2 a Genre Mashup and it is not.

Even though it is the same word each one are completely different. It is 3 different genre types and each list needs to be kept completely separate from each other.

HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#40: May 5th 2016 at 6:29:43 AM

Obviously a game's choice of music does not a Genre Mashup make. We can distinguish between story mashups, music mashups, and gameplay mashups in the examples without resorting to separate tropes or Type Labels. No one's going to confuse "this game mixes several styles of gameplay" with "this game has music." If it's also an example of "this game has several genres of music in its soundtrack," great, that's a separate bullet.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#41: May 5th 2016 at 7:06:23 AM

Then you are looking at 4-5 separate bullets for a hell of a lot of works. Its going to be a disaster to format unless maybe a soft split by type or a hard split, which I was pushing for the latter.

The description is already going to be a mile long talking about what is and is not a genre, let alone making genre types clear. Then go into not actually mashing them up instead going for a rotation which is Genre Roulette. Then telling people how specific do you go, Story, Gameplay, Soundtrack, Song etc.

This trope as written is only for songs.

Whatever... getting majorly frustrated here, do whatever. It just does not make sense to me, they are all so different. It also didn't make much sense to whoever wrote this trope.

edited 5th May '16 7:40:02 AM by Memers

YasminPerry Since: May, 2015
#42: May 5th 2016 at 8:35:50 AM

This seems like Genre Mashup but limited to songs, because that's the type of medium that needed a subtrope for some reason. I say redirect.

Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#43: May 18th 2016 at 9:40:09 PM

Going with option 1. Making it a redirect would make things way too messy, as Memers has already tried to explain. Hell, the artists section already stretches the page long enough as is, this with the fact that many anime and videogame soundtracks can be examples in and of themselves, it'd make most sense to make the current trope music-exclusive and Genre Mashup be a sort of supertrope for it.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#44: May 19th 2016 at 4:09:23 PM

That's grounds for a trope with subpages by medium. Not a subtrope. It doesn't follow any of our rules for splitting off subtropes and we have lots of pages with medium specific subpages.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
YasminPerry Since: May, 2015
#45: Jun 13th 2016 at 9:30:35 AM

Genre Mashup was a better name; the current name is unwieldy & hard to remember.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#46: Jun 13th 2016 at 9:39:51 AM

[up][up] The thing is Medium subpages do not get their own description. This needs it because it's so utterly different from the rest.

As well as the sorting of genres under 'music' will be different and possibly require its own subpages due to size. As well as soundtracks would belong under music instead of the series entry.

war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#47: Jun 14th 2016 at 9:03:21 AM

[up]I disagree.

I think this thread needs a crowner to decide the multiple issues once and for all. It is getting old.

Someoneman Since: Nov, 2011
#48: Jun 22nd 2016 at 12:00:47 PM

I think just renaming the trope is enough. Mixing musical genres, story genres, or gameplay genres is not that different, so they can all fit the same trope.

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#49: Jun 24th 2016 at 3:58:37 PM

See #21 for input for the crowner.

war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#50: Jun 26th 2016 at 4:01:21 PM

I've already forgotten some of the details of this one, but I think you should go ahead and make a crowner along the lines of that post for hooking.

My preferred on that list is 3. I think the name NPZR is rather not awesome and would not mind it erased. But I will be voting for any one trope option on the crowner. There are indeed three types of genre, but they all get mashed up, and there is no technical difference that I can see between the different mashups.

Not to mention I have no problem with a video game ending up with three genre mashup examples.

edited 26th Jun '16 4:02:43 PM by war877

29th Jul '16 3:18:15 AM

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What is the best way forward to sort out the issue with Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly?

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