Opening, also because the scope of the current trope appears to be far too narrow.
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IMO it needs a rename to its redirect Genre Mashup as well as rewrite it to be not music exclusive.
Also probably need to merge most of the examples list on Genre-Busting into this since 99.99% of those examples are Genre Mashup
edited 20th Jan '16 3:15:18 AM by Memers
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Seconded.
The Unknown
Thirded.
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I agree with these changes. Can we hook a crowner?
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Too soon to ask for one, judging by the votes.
If there is enough consensus posts-wise, we may not need one.
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The distinction seems pretty clear to me. Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly works mix a bunch of different genres. Genre-Busting works are removed from conventional genre patterns altogether. Katamari Damacy is a good example of the latter; it's not action, not strategy, not puzzle, etc. The problem with this seems to lie more on the Genre-Busting side than with this trope. This one is fine, although it could use a rename; that one is not.
To me this feels like changing the trope to fit the name and (incorrect) description. What we should do is fix those instead. No real reason to separate the two, although this is probably more common in music than anywhere else.
Genre Mashup is a good name for this. Bland, maybe, but removes any confusion.
^ So Genre-Busting is not playing with existing genres at all but reaching for new uncharted territory?
Then the problem is entirely with Genre-Busting and how many of its examples are misplaced and actually describe Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly for crossing multiple existing genres.
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I second this notion.
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That doesn't work cause that is not what Genre-Busting means, Genre Mashup maybe.
Genre-Busting is X is breaking new ground.
edited 29th Jan '16 4:44:09 PM by Memers
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Understood. Regardless, I do heavily think that this should be a music-only trope while Genre Mashup becomes its own page.
edited 31st Jan '16 2:44:29 AM by Rynnec
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Why? If it's the same trope, then there's no particular reason to give the music examples their own article with a different title.
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Considering that music is the most flexible forms of art there is, there's more than enough examples to fill there own page. Hell, even music genre's can be a mashup in and of themselves.
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So make the GenreMashup.Music subpage and call it a day. Yes?
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If the music pages that have the current name and Mix And Match Music Genres listed link to the music sub-page, sure.
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^ Is this common practice to give suppages their own (alternative) name?
Music mashups would be extremely different than visual media,They don't share a single genre or anything like that not to mention the way mashups go about is entirely different.
A subtrope for just music and thus its own description would be the best.
How do you define mashup? Is that including the music examples on Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly?
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The best I can think of for what he means is something like the famous "Libra Me From Hell" from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, which combines rap and opera of all things.
edited 8th Mar '16 11:38:23 AM by Karxrida
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So we found that Genre-Busting is misused where many examples are actually genre combinations which is in line with the spirit of Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly though that trope description only talks about music. I see two options here:
- Make Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly a music-only trope and create a new trope called Genre Mashup for other works which will hold the non-music examples from Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly as well as misplaced examples from Genre-Busting.
- Make the description of Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly broader to include all kinds of works and move in misplaced examples from Genre-Busting. Create Genre Mashup as a redirect to Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly to be used for non-music works.
- Same as 2, but with Genre Mashup being the trope page and Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly being the redirect for Music examples.
edited 28th Jul '16 3:02:41 AM by eroock
I'd go with option 2, except just name the trope Genre Mashup and turn Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly into the redirect.
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I'm with 22. Option 2 with Genre Mashup being the name, not the redirect.
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Option 3 added.
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I think Option 2 is the best.
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What is the best way forward to sort out the issue
with Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly?
I have trouble contrasting Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly and Genre-Busting, particularly for non-music examples. On former trope page it says the difference is that Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly is when a work fits into multiple genres, Genre-Busting is when it doesn't fit in any genre. I find this to be a rather shaky distinction. As soon as you deal with multiple genres, the work is sitting on the fence.
Perhaps the way forward is to make Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly a music-only trope and all other media should go on Genre-Busting. Opinions?