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futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#4651: Sep 6th 2023 at 8:02:22 PM

Batman didn't help The Flash though. Then again, the things people had problems with outweighed the return of Michael Keaton, so there's that.

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#4652: Sep 7th 2023 at 1:34:18 AM

Uh I mean he was a side character in it. And uh let's be honest. The people who grew up with keaton and would be most likely to guy are in their 40-50's. Modern audiences know him as vulture.

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#4653: Sep 7th 2023 at 5:22:26 AM

[up][up] The Batman cameo was outweighed by how much of a non presence Ezra Miller was during the first cameo of Batman v Superman. Their constant arrest and unhinged IRL behavior didn't help either

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#4654: Sep 7th 2023 at 9:43:13 AM

I agree with both of you. People also probably knew Ben Affleck was a glorified cameo too, so that and word of George Clooney replacing both at the end of the movie also likely didn't help either. I think despite the poor visuals and questionable methods of inclusion, the cameos throughout were fun little moments though.

After Black Adam or Fury of the Gods—again, neither of which I hate AT ALL, people had clearly had enough of DC excluding Batman-specific films (and Blue Beetle is at least breaking even as is). Despite how big the fan base seems to be, the filmgoing clearly doesn't reflect it at this point certainly.

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#4655: Sep 7th 2023 at 9:47:47 AM

There is only so much DC can use the Batman sub-franchise though. Wonder Woman and Aquaman's success showed that the public is open to introduction to other heroes, but everything ever since has been underperforming.

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#4656: Sep 7th 2023 at 11:41:43 AM

In addition to covering this past weekend's box office (with The Equalizer 3's debut), this week's Charts with Dan is doing a retrospective on the 2023 Summer Box Office as a whole. He covers the biggest winners and losers for individual movies and studios for this period, along with how much money was lost/gained overall.

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  • 0:45: Weekend Top 10
    • The Super Mario Bros. Movie is playing "like an old school film'', in that it's still in theaters for at least 6 months straight (despite having home media releases now).
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  • 6:11: Road to Recovery Domestic Box Office Chart
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  • 7:00: Weekend International Box Office
    • 7:42: Weekend Worldwide Box Office

  • 8:26: Taylor Swift Surprise:
    • Pre-sales have been massive for the Oct 13 release of the concert, comparable to an MCU film with a potential $100 million opening. A light to the Fall season, which is seeing film removals and delays due to the strikes. (8:53)
    • This scared The Exorcist: Believer to move up away from the concert, to avoid competition, coming to Oct 6. Studios in general "frustrated about being out of the loop" on the Swift concert being a potential Sleeper Hit. (9:23)
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  • 11:29: The Equalizer 3, Denzel Washington, and Labor Day Weekend's Box Office Stats.
    • The film is putting on strong numbers for a Labor Day debut, second only to Shangi-Chi. (11:42).
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  • Studios Ranked (based on Dan's estimates, from biggest loser to winner):
    • 48:00: Disney
      • Despite selling the second biggest tickets this year so far, behind Universal, Disney still has an estimated loss of over $621 million for the summer. Haunted Mansion and Indiana Jones being the biggest weights on the studio, a fault on COVID-inflated budgets making profitability an unreasonable reach. (47:50)
      • That being said, Disney's always been strong with ancillary revenue (DVD, merch, streaming), which includes the The Little Mermaid (2023). ​(48:15)
    • 50:58: Universal Studios
      • Oppenheimer's a natural win for them, and some films like Fast X and Strays could break even with ancillary. However, they're weighted down by the underperformance of Ruby Gillman and The Voyage of the Demeter. (50:45)
      • Dan muses how Universal got lucky acquiring Nolan, after WarnerMedia accidentally burned bridges with the director following their COVID release of Tenet. In another timeline, Oppenheimer could've been a WB release, though there's no telling if Barbenheimer would have been a thing. (52:51)
    • 53:19: Paramount Global
      • No clear wins or losses yet, as Dan believes every summer film could break even with ancillary markets. (53:19)
    • 54:50: Sony Pictures
      • Two big wins, four possible break-even films, and one failure in The Machine. Sony benefits greatly from not having a personal streaming service, as they get guaranteed licensing earnings from other sources like Creator/Netflix. (54:43)
    • 57:12: Warner Bros. Discovery
      • Despite having one of the biggest flops of the summer ("Good Gracious, The Flash"), and two films that could break even in ancillary markets, WBD will have the least box office loss at an estimated $21 million due to Barbie. "(57:17)
      • Humorously, Dan compares WBD's performance to an infamous The Price Is Right contestant. Despite making the same mistakes, and ignoring basic advice, both won the grand prize based on dumb luck and persistence. (56:37)
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  • 58:57: 2023 Annual Domestic Box Office
    • 59:14: 2023 Worldwide Box Office

59:57: Per Theater Averages

  • 1:00:30: Limited Release Films

  • 1:03:30: Box Office Flashback

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#4657: Sep 7th 2023 at 12:11:49 PM

WBD must have really bad bombs to not have Barbie save them from losing money, even if it mitigated them big time.

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#4658: Sep 7th 2023 at 3:18:41 PM

Barbie's their biggest hit now, but yeah. That movie alone is not enough to make up for everything else though.

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#4659: Sep 7th 2023 at 3:49:44 PM

The TS concert movie being such a big hit bode wells for her ambition of moving into the movie space as a writer / director. People would show up just for her name attached alone

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#4660: Sep 7th 2023 at 8:05:17 PM

If Warner Bros need to save themselves, they need to have more movies that are hits in the box office then just one movie.

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#4661: Sep 7th 2023 at 9:52:07 PM

Barbie cinematic universe, got it.

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#4662: Sep 7th 2023 at 9:59:02 PM

I wonder how hard WBD is biting down their want to make a deal with WGA to just get Barbie 2 in production.

I wonder if the successes of the things will make studios bend to get back to production or keep them floating to hold out longer.

I wonder if any of my questions will be answered by insiders one day.

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#4663: Sep 8th 2023 at 11:31:14 AM

[up]Grace Randolph says they should wait until after awards season before announcing a sequel. It'll hurt their chances of winning things if they don't.

Taylor Swift has tried to get into movies before. What probably didn't help Amsterdam at all—and probably hurt it even more—was not only that she wasn't a lead, but that they revealed she died in the marketing before the movie even came out too. This "hits different" as she says though.cool

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Sep 8th 2023 at 11:32:52 AM

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#4664: Sep 13th 2023 at 1:51:32 PM

This week's Charts with Dan focuses on the latest release of The Nun II and the Indian film Jawan, both have started strong. My Big Fat Greek Wedding 3, which also debuted last weekend, hasn't had as much luck.

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  • 1:02: Weekend Top 10
    • Bottoms, despite being expanded to more theaters, still underwent a weekend-to-weekend decrease. (3:18)

  • 5:21: Road to Recovery Domestic Box Office Chart
    • Dan notes that the consequence of the studios' delays, due to the ongoing strikes, may hurt the momentum of the early Fall movie season, compared to previous years. (6:19)
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  • 8:18: Weekend International Box Office
    • 9:11: Weekend Worldwide Box Office

  • 9:41: The Conjuring franchise (where is The Nun is a spin-off)
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  • 13:21: Most Profitable Franchise - Dan looks into what films offer the best investment returns by percentage (Star Trek is the last one, at 2.59x).
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  • 20:00: Jawan
    • Dan highlights how Indian film releases in the early 2020s are seemingly getting more US domestic tracking in the box office. (20:37)
    • The film has specifically been breaking a ton of records regarding Indian/Hindi films, such as being the 18th highest-grossing film in Indian movie history. (1:59)

  • Movie Updates:

  • 23:39: Per Theater Averages
  • 24:47: Limited Release Films
    • 26:15: 2023 Top Grossing Limited Release Films

  • 28:46: 2023 Fall/Holiday US Domestic Box Office
  • 29:07: 2023 Annual Domestic Box Office
    • 29:31: 2023 Worldwide Box Office
  • 30:00: Box Office Flashback

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Sep 13th 2023 at 4:57:28 AM

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#4665: Sep 13th 2023 at 2:21:50 PM

I'm surprised that the Nun 2 has a strong opening. Maybe it's because it's connected to the Conjuring Universe that it's gaining popularity?

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#4666: Sep 14th 2023 at 9:54:27 AM

My Big Fat Greek Wedding 3 getting 10 million domestic I heard wasn't that bad though. Be interesting to see the hold it had next weekend as well. It's a safe movie, so be interesting to see what kind of faith Universal has in it overall.

Saw it Tuesday night, but saw both Mutant Mayhem and Blue Beetle on Saturday though. The former's really good and has definitely earned its slow and sure success and the latter's also really good and people are gonna eventually realize it's an unsung film. My hope is people discover its been slept on and under-appreciated.

Be interesting to see how A Haunting in Venice does this weekend as well, especially with how its kind of distanced itself from its predecessors from the looks of things.

As for The Lost Kingdom (Aquaman 2), I think hype after that official trailer is only gonna build and this'll be the DC movie this year that breaks the mold—though Blue Beetle at least hasn't been totally embarrassed from what I hear.

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#4667: Sep 14th 2023 at 10:11:22 AM

[up] You talking about BB in terms of box office or reviews?

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#4668: Sep 14th 2023 at 10:14:02 AM

[up]Box Office. Not saying it's doing great, but at least its slow financial gains right now are not being used to hammer it anywhere near as badly as the previous DC movies from this year though. That people didn't look to hate on it because it's not an overly-exposed or well-known property also worked to its advantage in comparison to the other two films too—to the point of people not holding it to too high a standard if at all.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Sep 14th 2023 at 10:14:36 AM

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#4670: Sep 14th 2023 at 10:19:41 AM

[up]Was that for my last post or the one I did before it?

Wow this is moving fast. Gotta step back while responses come through so as to not have so much at once to keep up with.

Gotta catch up on the Expendables films before the fourth one. I totally see this one doing well thanks to the return of the R rating right off the bat.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Sep 14th 2023 at 10:20:03 AM

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#4672: Sep 14th 2023 at 10:33:24 AM

Feel like Blue Beetle would be the Elemental story, with poor opening but decent leg and probably a robust life on streaming services

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#4673: Sep 14th 2023 at 10:35:37 AM

Blue Beetle was originally intended to air on streaming

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#4674: Sep 14th 2023 at 10:38:18 AM

And to be honest, I don't see Aquaman 2 doing anywhere near as well as the first movie box office wise. The goodwill for the DCEU has eroded into nearly nothing, and James gunn announcing his DCU while basically saying none of the movies up until it begins don't matter to it hasn't helped.

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#4675: Sep 14th 2023 at 10:39:20 AM

[up]The reviews for Blue Beetle are good too though, so there's that. Give them credit for putting one of the lesser-known ones at the center of a theatrically-released movie rather than playing it safe with Max.

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The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes is hopefully gaining momentum too and hopefully Rachel Zegler can overcome the unfair backlash she's getting as well.


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