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F wicks are finally done. Moving on to G.
Took a crack at helping out with the Z's. Not 100% sure I'm doing perfectly so here's what I did if anyone wants to check up. Ones I changed are bolded.
Also got They Died Because of You, because I wound up Wiki Walking through the relateds.
edited 11th Jun '17 9:03:21 AM by sgamer82
Thanks for the help!
I think we're pretty safe pursuing a "when in doubt, cut" policy, especially with potholes that lack sufficient context to judge validity. I've been putting a link to this thread in every cut I've made so that if I do wind up cutting any potentially valid examples, we can discuss it here, add context, and restore them.
I think I'm inclined to be a little more cut-happy than you are. In Zebraman, for example, it says he's a fan of "the original show." Okay. What happens in the original show that he's able to apply to his own situation, specifically? Could use more context. Likewise, in Zettai Hero Project, it says "they" evacuated the cities because "they" knew that such cities always get attacked in movies. Who's "they"? Could use more context. The rule of thumb is that if someone not familiar with the work can't tell whether it's a valid example or not, then it needs more context.
edited 11th Jun '17 10:59:11 AM by HighCrate
Since I'm not doing this regularly figured at the time best to keep it and be wrong than vice versa.
edited 11th Jun '17 11:23:19 AM by sgamer82
So as part of the Genre Savvy pruning spree this example got cut from Friendship is Dragons:
"* Very Special Episode: The players are Genre Savvy enough to recognize Zecora's introduction as the set-up for one.
Now to me, that looks like the proper use of the term Genre Savvy. Even if it's not, the Veryspecial Episode trope still applies and shouldn't have been cut. I know I could just revert the edit myself, but I don't want to do that and then find myself in the middle of an edit war.
edited 11th Jun '17 2:26:46 PM by Emptybee
There's no evidence given that the players are genre savvy. "The GM was counting on it" is not enough; he could have been counting on it because what they did was completely in character for them.
Which still doesn't explain why the larger example was cut entirely.
Is that being Genre Savvy? I mean sure its something you would typically only see in media and such but where is the savviness? The only way it would be is if you wore it to turn on an otaku for a date or to manipulate him and only if they based it on the media and not knowledge of the otaku's personal fetishes.
Or for how to make an anime character for cosplay and character designs but eh.
I wouldn't actually put something like that in the description though...
It's a Zero Context Example. It doesn't explain how the episode is an example of Very Special Episode. I really should have put that in the edit reason; blame it on muscle memory.
edited 11th Jun '17 8:32:44 PM by HighCrate
Fair enough. It's been awhile since I read that arc, but I'll look it over and see if I can't provide some context.
What is the verdict on Balthier from Final Fantasy XII? The discussion seems conflicted on that regard.
I think he's probably Wrong Genre Savvy, but I'm not entirely certain either.
The main schtick with Balthier is his assertion that he is the leading man of the story. However, by most any analysis of the plot, this is untrue. Vaan is the main viewpoint character and iconic heroic party member for the game, and reading the plot it's Ashe whose quest and motivations are central to the story and move the plot. FF 12 has oft been compared to Star Wars, and in that comparison Balthier and Fran are obvious stand-ins for Han and Chewie, and at a couple points Basch and later Ashe have to bribe Balthier for his help. He does have a role to play in things and a personal interest in the unfolding story, but Balthier is not the main character. He is aware that he is in a story, but he is not the leading man.
I submit for consideration the following entry:
edited 22nd Jun '17 7:39:15 PM by DrakeClawfang
Do Heroic Sacrifice or Plot Armor come into play?
No. Balthier declares he "might have to do something heroic" at some point, but never acts in a manner where he directly intends to sacrifice himself to save the party. The end of the game, where he and Fran to to the crashing Bahamut airship to repair its engines so it won't fall on the city of Rabanastre, he has the "the leader man never dies" line alluding to Plot Armor. He does survive this, but nothing else in the story occurs that would make one question Balthier's ability to survive it, and IMHO a one-time thing is not enough to qualify him as having plot armor. This incident could also qualify as his Heroic Sacrifice, except by the mention of Plot Armor, he clearly intends to survive it, or at least proclaims he will.
EDIT - I'll add the note of these two tropes to my suggested entry.
edited 22nd Jun '17 7:38:45 PM by DrakeClawfang
Cool. I think that more fully establishing that the tropes he believes apply to him do not apply makes for a stronger case for Wrong Genre Savvy. I'm cool with the revised entry.
edited 23rd Jun '17 7:07:27 PM by HighCrate
In that case I'll add it to Balthier's profile.
On Genre Savvy.Literature
On Literature.The Trojan Cycle
Both are wrong I'd say.
Agreed; deleted both and sent Malady a PM to join us here.
The first example might be, it doesn't provide enough context as evidence for or against.
The latter is explicitly not an example, as it says the character has Seen It All and knows through experience, not fiction.
Well, the character is an Intrepid Reporter in a Town with a Dark Secret or something.
I just grabbed it from the novels' Awesome page and placed it everywhere relevant... I should also add it to It Was Here, I Swear!... :sigh:
None of those facts say anything about being Genre Savvy, though. Genre Savvy is about a character seeing their current situation through the lens of someone who has seen similar situations in fiction. So if she's read books where people don't believe someone because the protagonist didn't have proof, that's Genre Savvy. If she's just "savvy" and thinks "I need proof" that isn't an example.
I deleted the following entry from WrongGenreSavvy.Fan Fic. It was restored without alteration; I'm bringing it here for consensus:
Yeesh, what a Wall of Text. Here's the problem, insofar as I can parse what this long, meandering entry is even trying to say: nobody in the story appears to be drawing genre knowledge from in-universe fiction. Not An Example.
Yeah, that's not an example. Lots of words, but nothing that actually touches on the trope. Most of it is about characters being right, which is opposed to the trope. The tacked on example isn't one either, since it just shows someone being wrong at something, with no savviness included, required, or implied.
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