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Jan 1st 2016 at 9:40:43 PM

This thread is dedicated to removing examples of genre savvy that don't fit the genre part of the definition.

To elaborate, the TRS thread on Genre Savvy showed that many misuse it for just plain savvy, which is waaay too broad. The character has to learn from fictional stories for it to count. E.g.,:

  • Alice watches a Slasher Movie, or has watched/is a fan of slasher movies, so she knows that she must be as pure and innocent as she can possibly be, and that she must never, not ever, have sex, if she wants to survive the movie: Genre Savvy
  • Alice doesn't have sex throughout the movie, and is pure and innocent, so she becomes the Final Girl: Not Genre Savvy
  • Alice doesn't hold the Idiot Ball and makes smart decisions (e.g., she doesn't say to her group of friends, "Let's Split Up, Gang!", when the killer is chasing them through the woods): Not Genre Savvy

This thread is for long-term cleanup of unfitting/shoehorning examples.

edited 1st Jan '16 10:14:20 PM by YasminPerry

shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Jan 1st 2016 at 9:59:20 PM

Good first post Also remember that this trope isn't just:

  • Bob did something that was kind of sort of intelligent.

That's another common sort of misuse.

edited 1st Jan '16 9:59:32 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Jan 2nd 2016 at 1:28:05 AM

Should this thread also cover related tropes? I've seen similar misuse with Wrong Genre Savvy.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Jan 2nd 2016 at 8:09:56 AM

Sounds good to me. I see no reason why not.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Jan 2nd 2016 at 8:59:22 AM

I would suggest partititioning different parts of this process between contributors who are interested. I've already cleaned up a bunch of the A-D wicks, where misuse was something like 80-90%. At this moment there are 11,000+ wicks, just to illustrate the size of this project.

All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day. Put the pieces back together my way.
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:02:53 AM

[up]Unfortunately can't help there. My classes start in a couple days, and I'm on the wick cleanup for Opera Gloves.

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Jan 2nd 2016 at 1:34:59 PM

Unfortunately, due to certain RL stuff I can't help out here for at least one week. Sorry, guys! sad

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Jan 2nd 2016 at 1:44:17 PM

I'll be here on-and-off because my work ethic is inconsistent.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Jan 5th 2016 at 4:51:19 AM

I might have some spare time this week to help. Are we just starting with the wicks, or the examples on the trope page as well?

Edited to add: I started from the other end. I've done all the Z wicks.

Found the same. 90% or more are misuse or zero context.

edited 5th Jan '16 5:37:21 AM by Wyldchyld

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ObsidianFire Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Feb 11th 2016 at 10:42:19 AM

Currently taking a look at all the Genre Savvy sub-pages and removing the examples from both the sub-page and the work page that are wrong.

Pages I've looked at:
GenreSavvy.Anime And Manga
GenreSavvy.Comic Books
GenreSavvy.Fan Works
GenreSavvy.Literature except for the Discworld examples. If someone familiar with that series could look at it that would be great.

The GenreSavvy.Folklore page has one example and it's not an example of Genre Savvy, should I send it to the cut list?

edited 12th Feb '16 1:47:23 PM by ObsidianFire

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Feb 12th 2016 at 6:51:26 AM

Yes.

Checking Discworld.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
ObsidianFire Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Feb 12th 2016 at 2:32:42 PM

Commented out all the examples/quotes on the PlayingWith.Genre Savvy and the Quotes.Genre Savvy pages that I didn't think follow the correct definition of Genre Savvy.

Also, the Laconic.Genre Savvy was broadened to all tropes and not just genre conventions sometime after the TRS was finished. It currently is this:

Character(s) aware of tropes.
Before the change it was this:
A character is aware of genre conventions like the one they are participating in. May or may not involve Leaning on the Fourth Wall.
I think it should be changed back as the longer laconic is more accurate to the correct definition of Genre Savvy then the current one is. But I didn't want to start an edit war.

This line from the main Genre Savvy page is bothering me:

It can also be justified through experience — hopefully, after going through dozens of Let's You and Him Fight scenarios a superhero will eventually see them coming and start trying to avoid them ahead of time.
This looks like just regular savvy to me and it looks like it should be removed.

edited 12th Feb '16 2:39:10 PM by ObsidianFire

Karxrida Art by @Rubi_arts from Darkness within Darkness Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Feb 12th 2016 at 3:02:25 PM

I agree that the old Laconic is much better. I also agree that the "regular savvy" part you mentioned should be axed.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:46:06 PM by Karxrida

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Feb 12th 2016 at 4:30:37 PM

Plus, learning through experience would probably come under Taught by Experience anyway.

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ObsidianFire Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Feb 12th 2016 at 5:25:28 PM

Okay, will do so.

ObsidianFire Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Feb 15th 2016 at 3:02:52 PM

Cleaned up the GenreSavvy.Live Action TV page except for the Doctor Who examples.

ObsidianFire Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Feb 18th 2016 at 8:42:59 AM

GenreSavvy.Live Action TV still needs the Doctor Who examples looked at, unless someone thinks it's a franchise that doesn't have enough special circumstances for someone who isn't familiar with it (I'm not) to take a look at it.
I think GenreSavvy.Mythology should be cut as in context, it's just an example of "normal" savvyness, but I'm not sure.
I think the one one example on GenreSavvy.Newspaper Comics is okay, but if I could get a second opinion on that it would be great.
I'm not going to touch the GenreSavvy.Professional Wrestling page with a 10-foot pole as I have no idea how the genre works (except that it's weird). So someone else who actually knows about it can do that page.
GenreSavvy.Radio should also go to the cut-list I think.
GenreSavvy.Roleplay Are we supposed to have a page for this genre?

Cleaned up examples for:
GenreSavvy.Tabletop Games
GenreSavvy.Visual Novels
GenreSavvy.Video Games

edited 18th Feb '16 9:16:14 AM by ObsidianFire

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Feb 18th 2016 at 10:09:03 AM

Genre Savvy.Webcomics is done except for The Order of the Stick and Girl Genius examples.

Going under the assumption that the world in The Order of the Stick runs on tropes/RPG Mechanics/etc., this would mean that in-universe, any reference to those things would be normal savvyness right?

The Girl Genius examples on the Genre Savvy.Webcomic page aren't examples of Genre Savvy, but some of the examples on the GirlGenius.Tropes F To J page might be. Is it Genre Savvy if the stories that are being mentioned are based on real-life events?

Also, I think we should put up a reminder on that page that weblinks are not examples. There were enough cases where the example was just a link and nothing else for me to think this could be a problem.

edited 18th Feb '16 10:11:05 AM by ObsidianFire

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:48:44 AM

Is it Genre Savvy if the stories that are being mentioned are based on real-life events?
Yes, because they're still stories and not direct experience. Each storyteller might have their own quirks to change "how it really went" for the Rule OF Drama or Rule of Funny or Rule of Cool...

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
ObsidianFire Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Mar 8th 2016 at 8:02:24 AM

Sent GenreSavvy.Mythology and GenreSavvy.Radio to the Cut List.
Removed all the Doctor Who examples except for two from the GenreSavvy.Live Action TV page.

What am I supposed to do with the The Order of the Stick examples on the GenreSavvy.Webcomics page? My gut instinct is to zap the majority of them as their world runs on RPG mechanics, so knowing about said mechanics is the equivalent of being just normally savvy.

I'm still wondering what I should do with the GenreSavvy.Professional Wrestling page as that genre is really weird.

edited 8th Mar '16 8:03:32 AM by ObsidianFire

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Exposition Dragon
Mar 8th 2016 at 12:45:50 PM

Most of the characters exhibit Medium Awareness but that's not the same as Genre Savvy. I'd say the only characters who really qualify are Elan the Bard, his father Tarquin, and possibly his twin brother Nale. This is because they actually use their knowledge and awareness of fictional tropes to their advantage rather than simply acknowledging their fictional nature from time to time, as is the case with Roy's "It's okay, you can just say +5 Sword" line.

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Mar 8th 2016 at 2:07:18 PM

I haven't read that comic in years (it's great, though), but I don't remember Nale being on the same level as Elan in terms of Genre Savviness. I think he's borderline Genre Blind.

Speaking of, Elan is a weird example due to being The Ditz of the group, but I'm pretty sure he qualifies since he's a Bard and brings the narrative stuff up.

Tarquin is definitely an example. He even gives a speech about how he wants Elan to eventually fight and kill him because it's good storytelling or something, plus it will solidify his stance as a legendary villain that would be remembered because of it.

edited 8th Mar '16 2:09:57 PM by Karxrida

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Exposition Dragon
Mar 8th 2016 at 2:13:39 PM

Yep. This strip does a good job of showcasing how alike the pair are in that regard.

The greatest trick prejudice ever pulled was to convince the world it did not exist.
ObsidianFire Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Mar 8th 2016 at 3:11:26 PM

I guess that means I'll go on a case-by-case basis then.

GenreSavvy.Webcomics is done.

edited 10th Mar '16 8:08:20 PM by ObsidianFire

ObsidianFire Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Mar 11th 2016 at 2:54:59 PM

Cleaned up GenreSavvy.Web Original. A large number of examples were from the Let's Play category and were all about the real-life people learning things about the player bases of the games, as opposed to the story telling conventions of the games. We should probably keep an eye on it.


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