Not that I recall.
Anyway, it's not really applicable to Loki. That bit seemed to imply that it was a major recurring thing, rather than just a single line.
Oh God! Natural light!It's two words which is really a Genius Bonus anyways.
His first regards her as being nothing more than a "salve" for him to let his guard down, while the men actually do the hard work of interrogating him. He then demeans her by playing off the assumption that she must be hopelessly in love with Barton, and then then threatens her by essentially spelling out that he considers her little but a potential Friendly Target for him.
This is significant, because taking advantage of his sudden extreme sexism is precisely how Widow outfoxes him. She pretends to be a weak, emotional woman who can't bear to hear about her love getting hurt, and he eats it up like its made of ambrosia.
edited 16th Jan '16 5:42:12 PM by KnownUnknown
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Not a bad analysis. Still not really an enormous part of his character, even in Avengers.
edited 16th Jan '16 5:44:18 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!In fairness, although I tend to defend Loki (in the sense of believing positive aspects of his character are genuine), in the first Thor movie he antagonizes Thor by threatening to pay Jane a visit- it's not completely clear if he's threatening to rape her or kill her (maybe both), but it isn't totally unprecedented for him to be misogynistic- although his "schtick" is more about feeling superior to humans generally than it is being misogynistic.
But yeah, as Known Unknown notes, that whole scene takes this Up To Eleven. And as shown with the (also criticized on Tumblr and elsewhere) Droit De Siegneur reference in the second Avengers movie, Whedon has some Author Appeal involving using archaic language for Getting Crap Past the Radar.
edited 16th Jan '16 5:46:55 PM by Hodor2
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Like I said, it comes out of nowhere and never happens again or is backed up in the entire series. Avengers had several moments like that don't work with the characters as a whole.
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If we're supposed to assume he knows she's faking and is just playing along, her getting a triumphant moment by making him slip up doesn't make any sense.
edited 16th Jan '16 5:48:09 PM by KnownUnknown
I agree, but I don't think it's worthy of the "ragh, I hate wimmen" part of that post.
About that article: I stopped reading a few paragraphs in after it became apparent that the author was just mad at Whedon for not sharing their views on shipping.
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Sorry I didn't explain it well: I don't think he sees her facade as a facade, but he does see it and tries to use it in the best way he can.
edited 16th Jan '16 5:51:42 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
I don't think anything was explicitly contradicted, though, so it could theoretically still work.
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In what regard?
edited 16th Jan '16 5:51:35 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!I agree that the article is way over-the-top and I think the misogyny accusation against Whedon is largely unjustified.
I do think that a Whedon Star Wars would certainly be more quippy (and I'd imagine Poe having a much bigger role). There would likely be at least one Politically Incorrect Villain (probably that scrap heap guy or Hux I'd think) and I do think there might be some fanservice in how Rey's fights were presented.
edited 16th Jan '16 5:52:11 PM by Hodor2
Whedon's not the greatest with women characters but he's not the worst either, more of a Fair for Its Day guy. Hardly worth the rampant IRL Ron the Death Eater-ing he gets over Age of Ultron which is mostly the bandwagon effect.
I mean people fucking loved his take on Black Widow in the first movie and it was a big reason why everyone wants her to get a solo film even before The Winter Soldier came out, then Age of Ultron happened, people took an admittedly weak line out of context, and it became cool for just about everyone to declare Whedon is worse than Frank Miller.
On a side note a lot of the hate is motivated less by actual concern over misogyny and more over the fact that fans' beloved Clintasha ship was sunk. People trying to use social justice to try to present their shipping opinions as a matter of objective morality are a plague on fandom.
edited 16th Jan '16 5:59:27 PM by AlleyOop
One of the things I really liked about Rey and Finn in the first half of the movie is how natural they were together and how well they pulled off the "sheltered but competent kids in an extraordinary situation" vibe, and I feel like under Whedon they would probably be more like his textbook hip, snarky kid archetypes.
That's about it for why I don't like the idea, but it's a big reason for me.

I have no problem with a villain from a Norse barbarian culture being sexist.