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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5751: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:10:50 PM

How about Luke discovered a method of baptism with blood to grant the Skywalker powers to others?

So she could be adopted and literally have the blood of the Skywalkers.

I don't have a problem with this, because it still ties into the theme of the sequel trilogy being about the fight for Akakin's Legacy. Luke experimenting with something like this is out of character though.

This feels like the heart of the issue. I think people are weirdly resistant to the idea of Rey being Luke's daughter because they want this trilogy to be about the virtues of adoption.

I thought this was obvious as hell, but I didn't want to say anything about it because I feared looking bad.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:12:07 PM by VeryMelon

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#5752: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:11:54 PM

That is really, really silly. Not in terms of coolness factor, or appeal to adoption advocates (I adopted my son, so don't get on my case over this.), but because of all the extraneous explanations it would require.

How so? They said he went to the lost first Jedi Temple to rediscover secrets of the Force. Force Baptism could be one of them.

So next movie, he might use blood magic to baptize Rey in an epic scene.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:12:27 PM by CassidyTheDevil

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#5753: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:12:24 PM

If anything, I feel like the "surprise" in Ep. VIII will be that Luke isn't really that great of a Jedi Master: that he stopped teaching because he felt like he couldn't live up to the legacy of the Jedi since all the resources for training them were lost.

[up] If you're really serious about that, then I'm going to have to start ignoring you.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:13:03 PM by Fighteer

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5754: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:13:07 PM

...In fairness, I don't think that'd be okay for kids.

Lots of red everywhere.

I'd be fine with it, but don't think Disney would be.

Disney's scared kids for life, but.

I still think baptizing people in actual blood is a bit much.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:13:41 PM by unnoun

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#5755: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:14:58 PM

Re-posting because buried in the flood: I'm just saying that Rey Jinn makes more sense than Rey Kenobi.

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#5757: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:15:55 PM

[up][up] She's too young.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:16:10 PM by yellowturtle

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#5758: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:17:05 PM

You are the great-grand daughter of Qui Gonn. Does the audience even remember who Qui Gonn is? He's basically the one dude in the worst Star Wars movie.

@alliterator Here's the source you asked for.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:17:52 PM by MadSkillz

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#5759: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:17:26 PM

She can be his grandkid.

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#5760: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:18:24 PM

I dunno, man. You could just as easily argue that "white people being fucking everywhere" is a key element of the franchise, or "women are maybe one in every fifty people" is a key element, or "Stormtroopers are disposable grunts with no interiority" is a key element, or "Tatooine being eternally relevant"...you get my meaning.

I think The Force Awakens being as progressive as it is makes it really easy to root for the franchise to keep pushing in that direction and try to shed as much regressive bullshit from the previous films as possible.

The difference is that one is an issue of representation and the other is a central theme. The single most iconic line of dialogue ever uttered in the entire franchise is, "Luke, I am your father." This is at the heart of Luke's specialness, why he's the New Hope, why he's the Chosen One, why all hope for the Jedi are resting on him. Because he is Vader's son by blood and birth.

It's what made Leia important. Yoda explains to Obi-Wan that if Luke fails, they have one more hope. He's talking about Leia. She's also special and chosen and gifted, because she is also Anakin Skywalker's daughter by blood and birth. The biological connection between the Skywalkers is the core of the OT.

The Prequels elaborated on that by explaining why their blood is so important: because Anakin is descended directly from the Force itself. Luke and Leia are gifted because they share Anakin's blood and Anakin is gifted because he's Franchise Jesus. His bloodline is special.

I agree with you that adopted parents are no less valid than blood ones. That's an important message that needs to get out there. But it's not regressive to point out that children do not inherit genetic traits from adopted parents. That's scientific fact. A child adopted into a family of red-heads won't have his hair shift color. A child adopted by parents of a different race will not change skin tones. These traits are fixed at birth.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:18:33 PM by TobiasDrake

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#5761: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:18:30 PM

@5755: Suggesting that Qui-Gon had an illicit love child who, as a teenager, hid out during the purge of the Jedi and then had Rey? I suppose that Qui-Gon's Force Ghost communicated this information to Luke by way of Obi-Wan, so he found her and started to train her, only to have everything fall apart when Ben turned to the Dark Side?

edited 13th Jan '16 12:19:53 PM by Fighteer

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5762: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:19:02 PM

He was also the best dude in the worst Star Wars movie.

Which.

Is certainly a dubious honor, but.

We talk about deleted scenes yet?

I'm interested in the lightsaber in space.

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#5763: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:19:48 PM

All right, I'm leaving now. I don't like all this speculation and stuff.

Is Rey Luke's daughter?

Probably.

But we won't know till later.

I might write a little analysis on this film, so I'll see ya.

Bye.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#5764: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:20:22 PM

@Unnoun Debateable. Darth Maul showed up in that movie and outshined him.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#5765: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:20:27 PM

I do think the real problem is that TFA doesn't really even ASK the question of who Rey's parents are. We came in to the movie expecting that to be answered and as far as the story was concerned she was just abandoned and happens to be force sensitive too. Trailers, fan theories and rumored deleted lines don't compensate for that. If they were going for some dramatic reveal that she IS a Skywalker they bungled it, and any future movies we are just waiting to see which of the theories we have are correct. It's pretty much guaranteed disappointment.

Lavaeolus Since: Jan, 2015
#5766: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:20:29 PM

To be a bit contrarian, I think the trilogy could easily be about the Skywalker line and have neither Kylo or Rey be actual Skywalkers. The legacy left over by Vader is a pretty big part of Ren's character, most of the film has Luke as something of a MacGuffin, and depending on how the films go his role could easily be fairly major overall.

I don't really think the films have to be about the Skywalkers, necessarily, though that's what the sequel trilogy has been written for. Vader wasn't written as Luke's father in the first film, and in Empire Han and Leia's (who is also not written as Luke's sister at this point) romance is also as key as a lot of what Luke's doing. The "Skywalker line" is something that maybe the films more and more centred on, but I don't think that's a necessary sole reading or way to follow-up or what they've always been about.

Of course, there's a lot of hints that Rey's Luke's daughter, so this isn't really a comment on if that's likely. I think I personally would've preferred a twist like that if there hadn't already been a sort of spin on it with Kylo Ren, or if we had been introduced to Rey as being Luke's daughter directly without a plot revelation.

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#5767: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:20:31 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Possibly.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:20:56 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#5768: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:20:47 PM

That "hand holding a lightsaber in space" scene sounds epically dumb. I hope that's not canonically how Maz got a hold of that lightsaber.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#5769: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:21:35 PM

If they're going with 'Rey's adopted', then of course she's wild mass guess Darth Maul's child wild mass guess

edited 13th Jan '16 12:21:48 PM by yellowturtle

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#5770: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:22:01 PM

[up] That'd be interesting save for the whole "wrong species" problem.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5771: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:22:37 PM

Darth Maul didn't even have any lines!

...Which is probably for the best, actually, given how bad all the lines were.

...Shit, Darth Maul is the best character in that movie.

He's talking about Leia.

Weird given she was with Vader at the time.

[up] Apparently Maul's related to Ventress or. Something.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:23:09 PM by unnoun

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#5773: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:22:39 PM

@Critic Okay but explain that to the audience without making it look dumb.

@unnoun I told you. waii

edited 13th Jan '16 12:23:16 PM by MadSkillz

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#5774: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:24:12 PM

Watch Rey's parentage NEVER be mentioned.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5775: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:25:23 PM

...God I now wish the hand was in the box too.

Like.

I dunno how it would be perfectly preserved after 30 years, but.

...I mean.

I think it'd raise the question of why the hell Maz has Luke's first hand.


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