How so? They said he went to the lost first Jedi Temple to rediscover secrets of the Force. Force Baptism could be one of them.
So next movie, he might use blood magic to baptize Rey in an epic scene.
edited 13th Jan '16 12:12:27 PM by CassidyTheDevil
If anything, I feel like the "surprise" in Ep. VIII will be that Luke isn't really that great of a Jedi Master: that he stopped teaching because he felt like he couldn't live up to the legacy of the Jedi since all the resources for training them were lost.
If you're really serious about that, then I'm going to have to start ignoring you.
edited 13th Jan '16 12:13:03 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"You are the great-grand daughter of Qui Gonn. Does the audience even remember who Qui Gonn is? He's basically the one dude in the worst Star Wars movie.
@alliterator Here's the source you asked for.
edited 13th Jan '16 12:17:52 PM by MadSkillz
I think The Force Awakens being as progressive as it is makes it really easy to root for the franchise to keep pushing in that direction and try to shed as much regressive bullshit from the previous films as possible.
The difference is that one is an issue of representation and the other is a central theme. The single most iconic line of dialogue ever uttered in the entire franchise is, "Luke, I am your father." This is at the heart of Luke's specialness, why he's the New Hope, why he's the Chosen One, why all hope for the Jedi are resting on him. Because he is Vader's son by blood and birth.
It's what made Leia important. Yoda explains to Obi-Wan that if Luke fails, they have one more hope. He's talking about Leia. She's also special and chosen and gifted, because she is also Anakin Skywalker's daughter by blood and birth. The biological connection between the Skywalkers is the core of the OT.
The Prequels elaborated on that by explaining why their blood is so important: because Anakin is descended directly from the Force itself. Luke and Leia are gifted because they share Anakin's blood and Anakin is gifted because he's Franchise Jesus. His bloodline is special.
I agree with you that adopted parents are no less valid than blood ones. That's an important message that needs to get out there. But it's not regressive to point out that children do not inherit genetic traits from adopted parents. That's scientific fact. A child adopted into a family of red-heads won't have his hair shift color. A child adopted by parents of a different race will not change skin tones. These traits are fixed at birth.
edited 13th Jan '16 12:18:33 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.@5755: Suggesting that Qui-Gon had an illicit love child who, as a teenager, hid out during the purge of the Jedi and then had Rey? I suppose that Qui-Gon's Force Ghost communicated this information to Luke by way of Obi-Wan, so he found her and started to train her, only to have everything fall apart when Ben turned to the Dark Side?
edited 13th Jan '16 12:19:53 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"He was also the best dude in the worst Star Wars movie.
Which.
Is certainly a dubious honor, but.
We talk about deleted scenes yet?
I'm interested in the lightsaber in space.
I do think the real problem is that TFA doesn't really even ASK the question of who Rey's parents are. We came in to the movie expecting that to be answered and as far as the story was concerned she was just abandoned and happens to be force sensitive too. Trailers, fan theories and rumored deleted lines don't compensate for that. If they were going for some dramatic reveal that she IS a Skywalker they bungled it, and any future movies we are just waiting to see which of the theories we have are correct. It's pretty much guaranteed disappointment.
To be a bit contrarian, I think the trilogy could easily be about the Skywalker line and have neither Kylo or Rey be actual Skywalkers. The legacy left over by Vader is a pretty big part of Ren's character, most of the film has Luke as something of a MacGuffin, and depending on how the films go his role could easily be fairly major overall.
I don't really think the films have to be about the Skywalkers, necessarily, though that's what the sequel trilogy has been written for. Vader wasn't written as Luke's father in the first film, and in Empire Han and Leia's (who is also not written as Luke's sister at this point) romance is also as key as a lot of what Luke's doing. The "Skywalker line" is something that maybe the films more and more centred on, but I don't think that's a necessary sole reading or way to follow-up or what they've always been about.
Of course, there's a lot of hints that Rey's Luke's daughter, so this isn't really a comment on if that's likely. I think I personally would've preferred a twist like that if there hadn't already been a sort of spin on it with Kylo Ren, or if we had been introduced to Rey as being Luke's daughter directly without a plot revelation.
That'd be interesting save for the whole "wrong species" problem.
Darth Maul didn't even have any lines!
...Which is probably for the best, actually, given how bad all the lines were.
...Shit, Darth Maul is the best character in that movie.
Weird given she was with Vader at the time.
Apparently Maul's related to Ventress or. Something.
edited 13th Jan '16 12:23:09 PM by unnoun

So she could be adopted and literally have the blood of the Skywalkers.
I don't have a problem with this, because it still ties into the theme of the sequel trilogy being about the fight for Akakin's Legacy. Luke experimenting with something like this is out of character though.
I thought this was obvious as hell, but I didn't want to say anything about it because I feared looking bad.
edited 13th Jan '16 12:12:07 PM by VeryMelon