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blauregen Since: Apr, 2013
#4276: Jan 4th 2016 at 1:48:37 AM

It serves to illustrate the depth of his fall. And his ineptitude at being the bad guy together with his conflicted nature screams redemption arc to me.

All I know is, my gut says maybe.
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#4277: Jan 4th 2016 at 1:53:12 AM

Kylo Ren totally keeps a Darth Vader bodypillow in his bedroom.

Umm.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#4278: Jan 4th 2016 at 1:59:40 AM

"It serves to illustrate the depth of his fall. And his ineptitude at being the bad guy together with his conflicted nature screams redemption arc to me"

I'm not sure he's inept at being a bad guy considering he massacred a Jedi academy and killed his own father as well as tortured countless people.

He's the inverted Luke Skywalker. Luke struggled with the dark side until he got over it and became the hero he needed to be.

Ben Solo struggles with the light side until he gets over it and becomes the villain he needs to be. At least that's how I view it.

edited 4th Jan '16 2:00:37 AM by MadSkillz

blauregen Since: Apr, 2013
#4279: Jan 4th 2016 at 2:10:47 AM

But he doesn't kill the messenger, which is a hallmark of the unredeemable bastard, and he pointedly leaves the destruction of star systems to Hux.

All I know is, my gut says maybe.
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#4280: Jan 4th 2016 at 2:12:35 AM

Yeah, he's not there yet.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#4281: Jan 4th 2016 at 2:31:28 AM

[up][up] Darth Vader killed the messenger and he was redeemed.

[up] But he definitely crossed the moral event horizon already.

edited 4th Jan '16 2:31:54 AM by MadSkillz

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#4282: Jan 4th 2016 at 2:49:03 AM

[up]x5

Sorry Kylo but you're waifu a shit.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#4283: Jan 4th 2016 at 3:29:34 AM

You know something interesting to note but Force Stasis which Ben seems to really be good at is a light side move.

Also his mind-reading isn't something Vader could do as far as I know.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#4284: Jan 4th 2016 at 3:32:42 AM

[up]

Snoke chose Kylo since he thinks that Kylo is a perfect centre for both Light and Dark.

Vader did read Luke's mind in ROTJ, although by using his feelings as a focus point. The emperor could also do it pretty casually. I suppose it was never as specific as Kylo's ability.

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#4285: Jan 4th 2016 at 3:35:53 AM

If I could just catagorize Force-users into three catagories: Force Affinity, Physical Ability, and Lightsaber Skill, than Darth Vader would have high everything but Physical Ability would be the highest and Kylo would have decent Skill and Physical but huge Force.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#4286: Jan 4th 2016 at 3:46:45 AM

Ben should have the same force potential as Anakin pre-Mustafar.

Too bad Ben wasn't trained by the Old Order of Jedi. I was re-watching him wielding his lightsaber and he basically fights like Luke does during the OT.

[up][up] True but Vader was reading Luke's emotions as they occurred at that moment while Ben was ripping into and searching people's brains and taking out information from there. That seems a lot more advanced.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#4287: Jan 4th 2016 at 4:04:42 AM

Why? If the Force is genetic, and Ben is Anakin's grandson, shouldn't Ben only be one fourth as powerful as Anakin at best?

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#4288: Jan 4th 2016 at 4:06:59 AM

[up][up]

Kylo does do a few flourishes and spins. I assume he has some idea of lightsaber forms, but since there aren't many lightsaber masters around anymore (if at all), could be he's going with whatever worked for him so far. Although to be an actual threat to Luke and Rey, who will probably be trained by him, he's going to need to retool his style. He's going to need to be trained to actually face Jedi.

edited 4th Jan '16 4:07:51 AM by TerminusEst

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#4289: Jan 4th 2016 at 4:10:11 AM

Epigenetic Force inheritance?

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#4290: Jan 4th 2016 at 4:14:48 AM

[up][up][up] By that logic, Luke should only have the potential to be half as powerful as Anakin and as powerful as the Emperor. George Lucas said that Luke has Anakin's potential so it stands to reason that Leia does too.

My theory is that you inherit the Force potential of whoever is stronger between your parents. Alternatively, you have a 50-50 chance of inheriting one of your parent's force potential but it doesn't average out between them.

Just to note Anakin's Potential is double Darth Sidious' but post burning as Darth Vader it's only 80% as much as Darth Sidious'.

edited 4th Jan '16 4:15:06 AM by MadSkillz

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#4291: Jan 4th 2016 at 4:17:54 AM

Turns out that Medichlorians die in extreme heat.

edited 4th Jan '16 7:46:18 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#4292: Jan 4th 2016 at 4:24:05 AM

That and getting your limbs chopped off.

He got many of them burnt off his skin.

So Darth Vader is literally using the midichlorians in his liver to choke people. Think about that.

edited 4th Jan '16 4:26:53 AM by MadSkillz

TompaDompa from Sweden Since: Jan, 2012
#4293: Jan 4th 2016 at 4:33:21 AM

If the Force is genetic, and Ben is Anakin's grandson, shouldn't Ben only be one fourth as powerful as Anakin at best?

No. Genetic traits are inherited in full or not at all.

(Assuming this is a monogenic trait, but that's getting technical.)

edited 4th Jan '16 4:35:18 AM by TompaDompa

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#4294: Jan 4th 2016 at 6:10:57 AM

This thread cares more about the skywalker name carrying on them Luke did in the legends EU most of the time

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#4295: Jan 4th 2016 at 6:33:22 AM

there's got to be ONE next generation kid who isn't a Dark Side asshat that's part of the Skywalker family.
Why? The Prequels only had an asshat Skywalker as well.tongue

No. Genetic traits are inherited in full or not at all.
Midichlorians are symbionts, not genetic traits. I presume, as long as you have them in your germ cells, your offspring will have them too.

edited 4th Jan '16 6:34:12 AM by Antiteilchen

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#4296: Jan 4th 2016 at 6:36:31 AM

Sorry Kylo but you're waifu a shit.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#4297: Jan 4th 2016 at 7:43:29 AM

I saw an interview with Abrams that said that Kylo Ren idolizes Darth Vader and not Anakin Skywalker, and he wants to finish what Vader couldn't.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#4298: Jan 4th 2016 at 8:15:58 AM

[up]

Precisely. He hasn't so much as misinterpreted what happened, as he saw it as being seduced by the enemy. Sympathy being a weakness in an otherwise terrifyingly perfect machine of order.

edited 4th Jan '16 8:16:22 AM by TerminusEst

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#4299: Jan 4th 2016 at 8:17:33 AM

@Pushover Media Critic: "The pilot is Luke's son".

Actually, Poe Dameron was born before Endor to A-Wing pilot Shara Bey and Special Forces soldier Kes Dameron.

He already had parents, so there's no way he's Luke's kid.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#4300: Jan 4th 2016 at 8:25:23 AM

Wasn't sure that that discussion was still going on but was going to comment on the general thing that "people want/expect every character to be related to someone from the original trilogy".

Ren obviously is, as a central twist in the film.

Rey may be (think that discussion has been rather beaten to death)

Both Poe and Hux have All There in the Manual relations to parents who are bridge figures between the Original Trilogy and this new Trilogy- Poe's being members of the Resistance who joined the Republic and Hux's Empire holdouts who founded the New Order.

I don't know how much serious suggestion there was that Finn was a relative of Lando. I think to the extent it came up, it may have been when early on, people thought he was disguised as a Stormtrooper. But more frequently, it was probably a criticism of the lack of diversity in the series. From what we know now, I think narratively it makes the most sense for Finn to be "nobody"- just one of many people kidnapped at birth.


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