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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#801: Apr 18th 2018 at 2:46:42 PM

[up][up]I don't think it's unreasonable that Bruce would feel guilty about what happened to John and try to help him recover, especially after what happened to Harvey.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#802: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:11:47 PM

[up] I agree but were you actually expecting him to visit Joker after the credits? I admit maybe the execution of the scene was really weird. Like how the fade out bizarrely ends with creepy cliffhanger music since this is the only happy stinger and I guess tell tale got lazy on this part.

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GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#803: Apr 19th 2018 at 2:06:38 PM

[up][up] I would hope Bruce actually makes an effort to visit Harvey as well, since nothing in the game indicates that he does and makes it sound like he's written him off.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#804: Apr 19th 2018 at 2:55:16 PM

Honestly, this version of Harvey Dent is sort of a scumbag.

His darker side is very much a part of his "good side" too given the fact he turned on Bruce at the least provocation, wanted the help of Carmine Falcone, and refuses to let the terrorists win by blowing up huge chunks of Gotham. He's basically Bruce's friend if Bruce was friends with George W. Bush.

edited 19th Apr '18 2:55:31 PM by CharlesPhipps

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#805: Apr 19th 2018 at 2:57:24 PM

I don't really think he's a scumbag per se. I think he does mean well, but he goes about solving problems the wrong way.

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TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#806: Apr 19th 2018 at 3:09:46 PM

I never really got the impression that Bruce had written Harvey off. At least not at the end of my playthrough, Bruce was saddened and disappointed but still seemed to view Harvey with some sympathy. At the end of season 1 it seemed likely that he would visit Harvey. So I hope he does, especially when he visits John.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#807: Apr 19th 2018 at 8:10:48 PM

Harvey is interesting to me, because I both feel sorry for him and want to see Bruce punch him in the face a few times.

SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#808: Apr 20th 2018 at 5:09:42 AM

I got the feeling this version of Harvey Dent was inspired by the version from Beware the Batman. While both started off as friends with Bruce, they were already largely short-tempered jerks who honestly were not fit for the position of power, and only became worse when put under stress.

GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#809: Apr 20th 2018 at 10:49:47 AM

[up] I agree in some of the similarities, mainly how both end up being authoritarian tyrants who abused mayoral power (despite Beware Harvey never becoming mayor himself). But Telltale Harvey seems to be genuine friends with Bruce, while Beware Harvey mostly only wants Bruce's money and endorsement. Even if he grew to genuinely like Bruce, he still puts himself first, like when he makes Bruce's funeral all about himself.

Not to mention we can't really fully judge how fit Telltale Harvey really was as the mayor, since by the time he rises to that position, he's already being driven insane by Vicki's drug. He seems to be pretty efficient as DA and before the incident, with any demons he had being kept in check. In Beware, Dent's already an opportunistic scumbag and already pushing his authority as DA around, between stockpiling weapons illegally and having the SCU around. By the time he's scarred, driven insane and puts Gotham under Martial Law, it feels more like he's lost his inhibitions, rather than a tragic, radical change in his personality and goals.

It sounds like I'm blaming a lot of Telltale Harvey's personality flaws on the drugs, but I am genuinely curious if he would've reached the same path if he was under constant pressure and paranoia, but without being drugged.

[up][up] Telltale is good at coming up with punchable antagonists. At some point, I even took satisfaction in punching John after putting up with his nonsense for too long.

edited 20th Apr '18 10:54:08 AM by GamerSlyRatchet

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#810: Apr 20th 2018 at 5:09:54 PM

I didn't, but that's because I like trying to reach out to people and help them.

Violence is and should always be a last resort. Necessary at times, but to be avoided where possible. When a situation must be resolved violently, it represents a diplomatic failure.

One of the things I love about Telltale Batman is that you can try to be diplomatic. Diplomacy ultimately fails, as it does in many stories about using violence to solve problems, but I like how much emphasis Telltale puts on the attempt. Superhero media has a tendency to punch first, emphasizing violence as a cool and consequence-free problem-solver, but Telltale doesn't. That's cool.

For that matter, Telltale also doesn't have the consequence-free part, either. We see the consequences of violence scarred into characters' bodies all the time. I wish we could see makeup artists put the level of scarred tissue into Chris Evans's chiseled pecs that we see on Telltale Bruce every time his shirt is off.

edited 20th Apr '18 5:14:11 PM by TobiasDrake

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#811: Apr 20th 2018 at 5:32:55 PM

I think it should be noted that Harvey is already weak-willed and highlighted as suffering something akin to Borderline personality disorder in the files where he is easily dominated by strong personalities. In this case, Harvey is willing to kiss up to Carmine Falcone even though his entire campaign is based around taking down crime.

I.e. He's even then...Two Faced.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#812: Apr 20th 2018 at 6:41:49 PM

The subtle two-faced characterization wasn't lost on me, yeah.

Also, what happened to Mori? Did he just randomly die offscreen afyer Episode 1? Why make it a major choice to steal from him or get him out of Gotham if he never comes back?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#813: Apr 20th 2018 at 7:05:26 PM

I'm guessing one of two things will happen with him: he comes back as an antagonist next season or he winds up having been killed by Waller anyway.

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GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#814: Apr 20th 2018 at 10:26:24 PM

Or it's a plot point Telltale genuinely forgot it had and never bothered to conclude it. It's not the first time it's happened.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#815: Apr 21st 2018 at 6:31:03 AM

Mori's an odd plot point because the Riddler makes a big show of killing him, whereas if he had just fired off a bunch of rockets he could have taken down all his enemies in peace, without alerting Batman.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#816: Apr 21st 2018 at 6:47:14 AM

The RIDDLER should do things pragmatically?

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Lavaeolus Since: Jan, 2015
#817: Apr 21st 2018 at 7:18:46 AM

Mori's absence didn't really surprise me; I assumed he was just there to be a choice on who to suspect, much like Whatshisname, Riddler's henchman who was in custody. I mean, one of the choices was to let Mori completely run free out of Gotham. I think the crux of the choice was really just about defining your Batman and being a big moral dilemma: either bend the law and let a scumbag get away seemingly scot-free, or brutally strangle a man in front of everyone.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#818: Apr 21st 2018 at 7:43:53 AM

[up][up] It's not about pragmatism, it's about "why is this guy a priority". Why is the Riddler picking a fight with Batman before carrying out his plan?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#819: Apr 21st 2018 at 7:48:12 AM

Batman IS the primary threat to his current plans and the person who does figure out his "missile strike' scheme.

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Lavaeolus Since: Jan, 2015
#820: Apr 21st 2018 at 7:53:17 AM

It's been a while since I went through the first episode, but it makes sense to me that Riddler would prioritise alerting Batman/the police over common sense. He views Batman as a rival in terms of being a weirdo that Gotham's started to revolve around, and he doesn't just want revenge, he wants to prove himself better than Bats/others and also take back the public spotlight.

edited 21st Apr '18 7:55:58 AM by Lavaeolus

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#821: Apr 21st 2018 at 8:37:00 AM

[up][up] He's only a primary threat after the Riddler alerts him to his presence. Had Riddler just gone with a missile alpha strike or gone after SANCTUS first thing Batman would have been completely blindsided.

edited 21st Apr '18 8:37:42 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#822: Apr 21st 2018 at 8:38:48 AM

Riddler didn't intend to.

However, Batman interrupted him and then lost a good friend to him.

Riddler also DID try to take out Batman with a missile strike. Sadly, his plan backfired and killed Lucius instead.

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Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#823: Apr 21st 2018 at 9:41:44 AM

Also Riddler is insane. Can't forget that.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#824: Apr 21st 2018 at 10:59:49 AM

Yeah, the point was that he thought Batman was a pretender and gave him one of the missile strike boxes to kill him. Mori was probably just an excuse to go out that night and initiate conflict with Batman.

Speaking of things Telltale forgot, remember how Bruce was ridiculously injured from his fight with Bane in Episode 2?

edited 21st Apr '18 11:00:25 AM by Hobgoblin

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#825: Apr 21st 2018 at 3:57:25 PM

[up] I guess being stuffed in a freeze box can do wonders for your health. It also kinda doubles as a conservation of ninjutsu since Bane had Batman on the ropes the first time then Batman can take him and Freeze out despite having like 2 days to heal. Then again, Batman WAS pretty close to getting killed in that fight and had to be saved by Joker in both versions. speaking of forgotten plot points anyone remember the Venom counter agent? i mean yeah you can use it at the end of 2 but i kept it since i assumed i could use it for when i inevitably fight Bane again but the option doesn't come up. Did anyone slip Bane the counter agent, left Harley at the end in 2 then saw what happened if he used Venom in 4? i'm curious.

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