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ztyran (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#4401: Mar 21st 2025 at 7:40:27 PM

I saw the opening scene of the episode and I think it's a flashback given Sabrina is in her original Ms. Hound costume.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#4402: Mar 22nd 2025 at 3:03:15 AM

Either that or its another case of them being bad about episode order.

True20 Since: Aug, 2022
#4403: Mar 22nd 2025 at 10:43:35 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_2025_03_22_193843.png

Girl did not just say that her full chest as if Lila didn't make her look like a fool for 5 seasons straight lmao.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#4404: Mar 24th 2025 at 9:19:04 PM

Finally saw the episode.

Seeing Felix smiling and cheering with everyone else in the group Miraculers scene at the beginning was funny. Dude's totally defrosted.

Overall, this season has an interesting, and at this point clearly intentional running theme that Marinette's actions have a way of inadvertently harming the people around her. The end of this episode felt like a fuse they were waiting to blow up in a later episode.

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#4405: Mar 24th 2025 at 11:22:09 PM

I'd like to actually have Felix open his mouth though, since this is twice now he's been happy and smiley yet hasn't actually said a word. You'd think a drastic change like this wouldn't keep him as a background character.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#4406: Mar 24th 2025 at 11:55:52 PM

They're probably saving him for a Felix and/or Kagami focused episode.

True20 Since: Aug, 2022
#4407: Mar 25th 2025 at 7:49:58 AM

I bet they'll use Miraculous Cat Noir as a plot device to (re)akumatize the characters who know the protagonists' (mainly Ladybug's) identities such as Alya, Luka, Kagami, Felix, Nathalie, etc without Chrysalis learning their identities off of them permanently.

ztyran (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#4408: Mar 25th 2025 at 10:48:12 AM

I find the episode an example of Both Sides Have a Point. While yes it seems to be information Adrien should know, Marinette is honoring the wishes of a dying man. And this doesn't even include the behavior of the population should it get out. They basically were going to crucify Marinette over lies for posts, imagine how they'd treat Adrien over being a terrorist's son?

Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#4409: Mar 25th 2025 at 11:15:40 AM

Tbh I don't think Gabes last request should be respected bc he's a horrible person, but the point about how Adrien would be treated, or him risking akumatization are reasons to support Marinette's decision.

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#4410: Mar 25th 2025 at 11:28:44 AM

Considering the dying words of Gabriel are fundamentally making himself a posthumous Karma Houdini despite terrorizing Paris for over a year and more than once nearly causing the apocalypse, yeah he hasn't really earned any real right to have his dying wish respected

But the fallout of the truth once it inevitably becomes public will ruin Adrien beyond belief. Won't be surprised if he just snaps worse than anything we've seen before even in "Chat Blanc"

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#4411: Mar 25th 2025 at 11:31:52 AM

My guess is the twist will be the Adrien will be upset but make it through, while the stress of the fallout will instead cause Marinette to be akumatized.

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#4412: Mar 25th 2025 at 5:19:37 PM

It's one of those questions. Is it really worth completely destabilizing a major pillar of the city (when there's already a new villain on the lookout for negativity) and several families (all of whom she's close to) just to spite a man who's already dead? And how much truth is too much? If she tells the truth, people will ask why which just leads down a massive rabbit hole that she wouldn't want to talk about even if she told the truth because it involves details about the Miraculous she probably doesn't want public. IE: "Ok WHY was Gabriel Agreste who was already a gazillionare with the perfect son a supervillain who threw everything away?" "Because he wanted to save his wife who used the Peacock Miraculous to potentially give birth to said perfect child. Also he fixed it and now it can be used consequence free." Great now every rich jerk with delusions of grandeur is gonna want the think to make a perfect child of their own which means Felix has to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life. Alternatively someone wants it to hold the lives of three of the richest kids in the world hostage.

I can see why she wouldn't want to go public with it. Some of that info cannot be shared. The only thing is maybe she could have told Adrien and the team but with the rule that it's a secret they all have to bear because secrets of the Miraculous cannot be public. And the fact that she's just kind of ignoring Tomoe even though she's an active threat still.

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#4413: Mar 26th 2025 at 8:19:12 AM

Can anyone recommend some good Chloe images for AlphaBitch.Western Animation?

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True20 Since: Aug, 2022
#4414: Mar 26th 2025 at 8:45:29 AM

The problem is that there's so many people who already know the secret about Gabriel that it's unrealistic that one of them won't eventually blab it to Adrien. Like even ignoring Chrysalis you've got Tomoe who doesn't gaf about Adrien and would definitely be willing to use it as leverage if it benefit her goals, Felix whom realistically Marinette still shouldn't trust and Nathalie and Kagami whom even if Marinette trusts there's still a chance they could one day tell Adrien out of a guilty conscience. There's just too many people who already know for Marinette to be able to control the secret from ever getting out (especially cause she isn't even close to most of the people who know).

Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#4415: Mar 26th 2025 at 9:16:30 AM

Tomoe wouldn't want the information that Gabe is Monarch to get out bc it would directly implicate her given how close she was to him.

Nathalie, Felix and Kagami care about Adrien so they would have similar motives for keeping the truth from him as Marinette

Cross (Don’t ask)
#4416: Mar 26th 2025 at 5:53:20 PM

Count me among those that don't give a damn about Gabriel's final wish.

With that said I think how the info gets out matters the most, moreso for Adrian than the public. Honestly I had the same idea as Known Unknown and I do think any ill will towards Adrian can be diminished by properly explaining things since he's a victim in this as well. Honestly, Miraculous doesn't feel cynical enough for anyone to hold any real grudge against Adrian for Gabriel's actions.

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#4417: Mar 27th 2025 at 1:19:17 AM

No but like I said the problem is revealing the truth about Gabriel means revealing the Peacock Miraculous can create people and Adrien is one of them which definitely might affect how people treat him, especially since he's major celebrity. That's probably why Felix is on board with the secrecy since otherwise he'd have to be constantly ducking people who want to steal his Miraculous for their own ends.

As for Lila, even if she knows the truth she can't prove it (nothing Nathalie sent her is direct proof Gabriel was Monarch) so for the time being, even though she knows it would ruin Ladybug it would be her word against her's and the people wouldn't take Lila's.

True20 Since: Aug, 2022
#4418: Mar 27th 2025 at 2:57:23 AM

Do they need to mention the Peacock at all ? Just say that Emilie had an incurable disease and leave it at that. There's still lots of incurable diseases which can't be cured no matter your wealth, it's not an unbelievable lie even considering Gabriel's status.

True20 Since: Aug, 2022
#4419: Mar 27th 2025 at 5:01:12 AM

Oh and btw in this episode they just said that Chloe replaced Adrien as the new teenage fashion icon and that was after she took over Paris through a coup and was exposed as a dictator working with a supervillain ... So who knows, maybe Adrien being a supervillain's son might actually boost his popularitaty as well, it seems like the Miraculous people are wired differently 🤷‍♂️.

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#4420: Mar 27th 2025 at 5:06:49 AM

The fuck? For real?

That is just so fucking stupid.

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Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#4421: Mar 27th 2025 at 8:42:52 AM

She really is the Eric Cartman of this show.

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#4422: Mar 27th 2025 at 1:56:34 PM

Except everyone knows and treats Cartman like he's the worst person ever.

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#4423: Mar 27th 2025 at 2:45:08 PM

I haven't watched the episode where Chloe tries to take control of Paris, but it is possible that people are more forgiving in a universe where anybody can randomly turn into a supervillain. Also, Audrey Bourgeois seems to have an even greater pull that Gabriel had (didn't she say she was the one who allowed him to rise to fame?), so maybe she pulled the necessary strings.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#4424: Mar 27th 2025 at 2:58:03 PM

It’s worth noting that the person who said that was one of those grifter influencer types who push lies for money.

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#4425: Mar 29th 2025 at 7:18:12 AM

It could just be that she's now exclusively hanging around fellow high society types (or people obsessed with them like Vincent) who don't really care about what she did or think the peasants deserved it. In Paris itself she was very much hated and driven away after that stunt.


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