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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#301: May 31st 2019 at 6:38:29 PM

[up]x2 Exactly. Which is actually the portrayal of Wanda I wanted to do in my revised Marvel Universe when she turns face. Basically in a short of ambiguous way similar to Howling Mad Murdoch where it is questonable if the character really is insane or just trolling the crap out of people with his eccentric personality.

Anyway now for the villain foils:

  • Enchantress: It goes without saying that she will be the standerdized Alpha Bitch of the group. I mean Amora seriously have all the qualities of one in the comics (minus being a cheerleader). She will be a foil to Jean in regard of the whole battle for top queen of school thing.
  • Titania: She will be the classical female bully among the group. And for foils it would have to be Wasp, seeing how they would be complete opposites in every way (plus this could be a good excuse to remake that time in Avengers where she and Absorbing Man got their ass whupped by Janet and Scott Lang).
  • Lady Octopus: We need a mad genius in the cliq. Plus its obligatory for a Sinister Six like team to have a Doctor Octopus in the group (yeah she isngoing to be a Starscream for leadership). Foil is Scarlet Witch for the whole Chaos vs. Order dynamic (which is ironic given which is the good guy and bad guy here).
  • Spiral: Needed an X-Men villain and somebody who could pull off the cyberbully motive. So why not the exectutive producer of Mojovision? Yeah she will be a foil for either Storm or Invisible Woman. The former because the two’s history together in comics where the X-Men often clash with Mojo. The latter because of thematic foil with Spiral being the type who likes attention and wanting views, and Invisible Girl is more reserved.

The next two could be my way of injecting members who would most likely turn face latter on and are not really 100% dicks like the others.

  • Madusa: I imagine her as being an innocently incensitive royal whose jerkassness is due to her having a hard time adjusting to modern society. Y’know like something similar to Triton’s portrayal in Ultimate Spider-Man. She hang out with the villain group friends because she is attempting to make friends and thought they want to really be friends. She will be a foil for either Storm or Invisible Woman. The former because of themetic dynamic (spoiled royal and humble lower class(?)) and that whole thing between X-Men and Inhumans. The latter because of the whole history between the two in comics, plus I like to think that Sue is the one to reform her in the series.
  • Rogue: The obvious reluctant member of the group, who is only a bad guy to appease her mother in a typical trophy child type situation. And do I really need to say who she is obvious a foil to? Hell part of her motivation for stealing Carol powers here is a combination of the previously mention trophy child and envy as who doesn’t want to be the overpowering super that everybody idolized. Either Jean Grey or Storm will reform her because, y’know, X-Men 92 (which means I should inject a kid version of Jubilee somewhere).

And in case said reform happen, replacement members will come in like:

  • Emma Frost: Who I guess will be like the Beta Bitch to Amora’s alpha. She would be a foil to both Storm and Jean. Its up to debate if she will reform or not. Emma has often been a very ambiguous character
  • Moonstone/Meterorite: Will be the replacement for Rogue in terms of the Captain Marvel rival. And unlike Rogue, she will lack the whole freudian excuse for trying to steal Carol’s identity and all. Seriously I am banking on her being an antagonist in a future CM movie right next to the Shiar Empire (cause apparently yeah Carol has a lot of rogue gallery transplant from X-Men).

[nja] Wow top page,-and I just realized I put way too much thought into this theoretical show.

Edited by BigK1337 on May 31st 2019 at 9:40:43 AM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#302: May 31st 2019 at 6:55:26 PM

I really like your line-up, Big K! I would be very interested in seeing what a Pinkie Pie-like Wanda would be like. Also, considering the fact that the Wonderbolts are basically MLP's version of the Air Force, Carol being the group's version of Rainbow Dash makes even more sense.

Huh, I just realized. If Kamala were to exist in this hypothetical show, she'd basically be the Scootaloo, wouldn't she? I wonder if there are going to be any Cutie Mark Crusader-equivalents on DCSHG.

Your theoretical line up of additional villains in case some of the others get reformed makes me wonder, do you guys think any of the villains in DCSHG will end up being reformed eventually? I personally kinda doubt it, considering all the villains in this show seem pretty entrenched in evil... then again, not like that stopped MLP from reforming some of its most nefarious villains.... but on the other hand, all those reformations, apart from Luna, who was pretty much a split personality/mind-messing situation anyway, were well after Faust left the show.

Edited by DeathsApprentice on May 31st 2019 at 9:56:35 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#303: May 31st 2019 at 7:04:27 PM

I just realized Wanda can bring in hilarious family shenanigans.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#304: May 31st 2019 at 7:20:56 PM

[up]x2 Thanks.

And regarding who in this show reform, well most of the female villains have turned good at some point in the comics but as far as I know/

  • Cheetah probably won’t reform due to developing an evil feels good personality at the end of her episode and seems to like the Cheetah curse.
  • Giganta lacks the sympathetic backstory of being a meek scientist and have a friendly foe relationship with Diana. So no face turn.
  • Livewire is harkening to her classic personality from Superman TAS. Though I wonder where in the comics she made the Heel Face Turn before joining the Superman Family
  • Batman is not a main character in this show, so chances of anti hero Catwoman is slim
  • Lena Luthor isn’t going to be good like her CW counterpart. Plus she is pretty much classic Princess Morbucka at this point.
  • Star Sapphire could most likely reformed with the story being her finally giving up her obsession with Hal Jordan realizing that he will never change. cause, y’know, all the male heroes in the show are incompatent or jerks, so no redeeming character arc for them. BTW, if that thing is true than for the Marvel Super Hero Girls show all the male characters will be based on their Ultimate counterparts (with the exception fo Spider-Man and Iron Man whose Ultimate counterparts are the only truly good characters).
  • And since Harly is BFFFL with Batgirl, I could see her turning face as well.
  • Poison Ivy I can’t really pinpoint as on one hand she is closer to her classic self but on the other like Harley she was once part of the good guys in the original DC Super Hero Girls

And to answer your question, the CMC will be comprised of Kamala Khan (Scootaloo), Kitty Pryde (Applebloom) and Kate Bishop (Sweetie Belle). And yes part of my reason for selecting those three specifically is because I am an edgelord who wants an excuse in putting KKK insignia for no reason . . . and that we have never seen these three ensemble darkhorses intereact in comics so it will be amusing to see them as the Cutie Mark Crusaders . . . but its most because of the KKK reason. My humor is that juvenile.

[up] Oh shit! You’re right! Bonus points if she is the Daddy’s girl to Magneto the Overbearing Dad of Magnetism

Edited by BigK1337 on May 31st 2019 at 10:56:54 AM

azul120 Since: Jan, 2001
#305: Jun 1st 2019 at 7:16:47 PM

Doesn't Poison Ivy have Harley as a kind of Morality Pet in DC canon?

If they were to appear here, Arthur and Mera have been on pretty stable ground since Brightest Day and New 52. Given that most of the drama comes from Atlantean politics and xenophobia, I guess there is something they'd do with other students looking at them suspiciously.

I liked #Superwho despite the derailments. Personally identified with Kara's resentment towards the more appreciated but actually younger Superman.

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#306: Jun 2nd 2019 at 4:08:17 AM

I see that MLP comparisons don't die easily. I mean there is no Spike or CMC in this show (and shouldn't Spike counterpart be a dude, anyway?)

Scarlet Witch as funny hero is something I didn't consider. Let's see, there are some good new heroes to try (Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, Squirrel Girl) and old (Storm, Wasp, Invisible Woman/Girl) As my addition, I'd consider She-Hulk (she would make natural teen hero) Elektra (She would NOT make a natural teen hero) and, if I'm allowed to dream, Lyja the Lazerfist.

Moonstone, Titania and Enchantress are kinda no-brainers. Screwball and Crimson Dynamo are great choices I admittedly didn't thought of. Notably, DCSVG seem to be very intentionally split (3 bat , 1 super, 1 wonder and 1 lantern villain) not sure how well that would work for Marvel. Enchantress from Thor, Dynamo or Madam Masque from Iron Man, Diamondback from Captain...3 Masters of Evil? X-Men villains? Bat villainesses are some of the most iconic baddies in Dc. Aside from anti-heroes like Silver Sable and Black Cat, Spider-Man femme villains like White Rabbit, Shriek or Yith aren't bad but are super obscure.

I think I'd go: HEROES - Ms Marvel, She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, Squirrel Girl, Hawkeye and Elektra. VILLAINS - Titania, Madam Masque, Screwball, Crimson Dynamo, Enchantress and - because this is my line-up and I can do whatever I want - Ruby Thursday. Trust me, kids will love her.

Unrelated note, how about instead of all these shorts, DCSHG youtube channel could upload some songs? If I can get SVFOE's "Just Friends" and "Ballad of Star" how come I can't get "Ready to Rise"? Unrelated note 2: Electric Boogaloo, Livewire will have secret identity, right? No one put together that she and Leslie are the same person? I guess that explains how Supergirl and others can have secret identities if this is the level of deductive thinking people employ in this cartoon.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#307: Jun 2nd 2019 at 12:18:47 PM

[up] Wait. Why is Squirrel Girl consider a new hero? She came out in the early 90s. She as much of a new Marvel Hero as Jubilee from the X-Men.

Now I have the urge to draw Doreen walking up to the actual new Marvel heroes dressed in the most stereotypical 90s gear going “How do you do fellow kids”

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#308: Jun 2nd 2019 at 12:58:29 PM

Same reason Guardians of Galaxy are "new" heroes. She din't even had her own book before 2015.

Edited by Sunchet on Jun 2nd 2019 at 9:58:48 PM

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#309: Jun 2nd 2019 at 1:52:49 PM

[up][up] 1990s is still young by superhero standards. especially if they aren't super mainstream. Anyone made between the 1980s and 2010s is "new".

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#310: Jun 2nd 2019 at 6:52:06 PM

[up] Well in that case: why the fuck isn’t Jubilee in Marvel Rising then!?! I would unirinically give the show a 10/10 if they include her . . . and maybe the New Warriors since that whole 80s - 2010s rule apply . . . and the Power Pack!

Okay getting off track here, I think this show is trying to make Aqualad the Spike of the series as he is incredibly young, often seen helping out the other heroines and is kind of a butt monkey. Unless they are going to have him, Wally and Dick be the Cutie Mark Crusaders of the show. If so then I will give the writers prop for making the Teen Titans into that.

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#312: Jun 3rd 2019 at 12:04:44 AM

I wouldn't say That Jubilee and Squirrel Girl are that comparable. Jubilee was part of popular team, featured in X-Men TAS and few games, while Squirrel Girl was niche character until recently. Plus only of them has her own book right now.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#313: Jun 3rd 2019 at 3:09:19 PM

[up] In that case: WHERES DA FUCK IS NIGHT THRASHER!?!

Oh wait. He’s a dude.

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#314: Jun 4th 2019 at 5:10:38 PM

I liked Giganta's episode. It's probably my favorite thus far.

I've been wondering if this show will make Ivy/Harley canon on-screen. None of the cartoon series have done it, but then again all those cartoons were from the 2000s.

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#315: Jun 17th 2019 at 11:44:41 AM

I like Selena's character. It makes me wish her character in the comics was more based on Eartha Kitt's version too.

I just noticed the show is TV-PG and I can't figure out why. I guess the violence? I've heard the PPG reboot uses its Green Lantern constructs because TV-Y7 shows can't show actual punching anymore.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#316: Jun 17th 2019 at 1:54:22 PM

[up] That's a myth.

TV-Y7 (FV) shows in the USA can still show people getting punched, kicked, or much worse nowadays. Keep in mind that television content ratings are weighed differently from broadcaster to broadcaster. Shows like Voltron: Legendary Defender and both Avatar series are consistently rated TV-Y7-FV on Netflix and Nick respectively, yet their darker content could easily fall under Young Justice (the first two seasons)'s TV-PG-V rating on Cartoon Network.

The PPG 2016 reboot using constructs appears as a writing choice to expand their merchandising potential than anything to do with censorship. They still punch and kick people (in the face) on that show without Hit Flash. Same deal with O.K. K.O..


As for Faust's Super Hero Girls reboot...I'm honestly as stumped as you are. tongue Speaking of violence, Faust did point how happy she was that Kara vs Diana's violence in the pilot special was okay'd by Warner Bros.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jun 17th 2019 at 5:00:47 AM

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#317: Jun 17th 2019 at 2:08:32 PM

Loved that fight.

I wonder if they will ever explain where Diana is living now, anyway. I am willing to overlook stuff like lousy secret identities if they wont make a dead out of it, but that is too big question for me to ignore. She seemed to be in some kind of house in "Beeline".

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#318: Jun 17th 2019 at 3:05:17 PM

[up][up] I assumed Avatar had a TV-Y7 rating as an Artifact. The changes in rating seems to be a relatively recent thing that popped up within the last 10 years.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#319: Jun 17th 2019 at 4:41:45 PM

[up] It's a fair assumption, but unlike the MPAA's late introduction of PG-13, the TV Parental Guidelines were introduced in 1997 with all of the current ratings we have today note . I don't think Nick in 2012's Nick changed how they "warned" parents about Korra's content compared to Nick in 2005 with Avatar.

Shows can have different ratings per episode (a consistently rated TV-14 anime suddenly has one TV-MA episode, for instance), but I've rarely (if ever) in my experience seen that happen for kids programming unless it was a tie-in special, movie, or a new series altogether.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#320: Jun 18th 2019 at 11:16:54 PM

[up]x4 Have to agree. Especially seeing how shows like Justice League and Justice League Unlimited have TV-Y7 rating when it aired during its hey day.

Well at least Justice League Unilimited, apparently I learned that JL has a TV PG rating. Point is, that show got away with a lot of shit that isn’t really “age appropriate” . . . during the early 2000s . . . the same period where a certain show about teen heroes couldn’t even use the name “Deathstroke” . . . and to drive that point further that shown (Justice League) have a villain name “Desdshot”.

So yeah agree with you on how the tone down violence have something to do with the age ratings.

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#321: Jun 19th 2019 at 6:34:13 AM

Teen Titans and Justice League always seemed like they were aimed at different demographics. TT's censorship worked to its advantage, though. "Slade" sounds better than "Deathstroke" and the series got away with a lot by using its regulations to its advantage.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#322: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:12:03 AM

Think Slade's threat level would have been affected if they called him The Terminator?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#323: Jun 20th 2019 at 8:32:19 AM

[up] Probably? But there are some hiccups.

A) By then, the Terminator as a name was more associated with the time-traveling killer robots from Skynet, so people stuck with calling Slade "Deathstroke".

B) However, during the early to mid 2000's, TV executives were iffy about having a bad guy with the word "Death" in his name, so the showrunners improvised and resorted to calling him Slade, which worked since Slade is already a name to run away from and it's his real name.

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#324: Jun 20th 2019 at 9:47:32 AM

[up][up] Yeah. It would been silly and over-the-top.

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