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Sep 24th 2015 at 10:29:33 AM

Basically a thread revolving around general discussion for the X-Men movies past, present and future.

To start, Hugh Jackman considers Tom Hardy a worthy replacement as Wolverine

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/jackman-says-tom-hardy-would-be-a-great-wolverine

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Sep 24th 2015 at 11:23:26 AM

Which forum is right?

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Sep 24th 2015 at 11:39:37 AM

Moved the thread and locked & redirected that other one.

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Sep 27th 2015 at 8:25:53 AM

I agree that Tom Hardy would be a good choice for a recasted Wolverine.

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Oct 2nd 2015 at 11:43:10 AM

I agree. Tom Hardy would be an awesome Wolverine!

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Oct 2nd 2015 at 11:56:38 AM

I disagree. Tom Hardy would be a terrible Wolverine!

He would make a good Patch, however.

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Oct 2nd 2015 at 6:07:25 PM

I think the next Movie Wolverine should be a short, hairy, not conventionally attractive, overall unpleasant kind of man. Jackman's take is good for what it is, but if he's leaving they should replace him with a 'black sheep' classic type of Wolverine.

Oct 2nd 2015 at 9:58:10 PM

Unless they come up with a reason for it, I'm thinking they'd probably be better off keeping with the same 'style' of Wolverine. Or at least someone who you wouldn't look at an immediately think "Is this really the same character"?

I wouldn't be so much opposed to if they went with someone who could be seen as a step between Jackson Wolverine and what comic Wolverine is 'supposed' to be.

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Oct 2nd 2015 at 10:50:00 PM

No more Wolverine. Wolverine should die.

And then they should get X-23 to replace him.

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Jul 28th 2016 at 12:29:45 PM

Did the cartoon theme ever show up in the movies?

I found out about it, and the old cartoon series, through Nostalgia Critic, and it's such a fucking kickass theme.

Sentinels are fucking stupid, though [lol]

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Aug 2nd 2016 at 11:30:47 AM

Apocalypse concluded its theatrical run this week with a domestic gross of $155,442,489 & worldwide gross of $534,547,826.

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Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:07:03 PM

That's less than half of Deadpool's $363 domestic, and well under its $782 worldwide. Deadpool had a budget of $58 million, less than half of X-Men Apocalypse's $178 million.

I think we can predict that Fox will be moving in a new direction with their movies; less movies with the usual X-Men team, and more solo movies and new characters.

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Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:14:56 PM

Apocalypse only made it to #7 on the domestic charts for X-films. It was beaten by literally every X-film other than First Class and the second Wolverine movie. Yes, including Origins: Wolverine. Origins: Wolverine and X-3 both did better than Apocalypse domestically.

Worldwide, however, it was #3 on the chart - beaten only by Days of Future Past and Deadpool.

Globally, the film was a resounding success, but Americans f*cking despised it.

edited 2nd Aug '16 3:15:43 PM by TobiasDrake

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Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:16:46 PM

If you adjust for inflation, it did worse than First Class domestically, as well.

It did decently, but not amazingly, worldwide. The Chinese box office has grown so fast, especially over the last five years or so, and has had such an impact on the worldwide box office, that it's impossible to make meaningful comparisons even between movies from the early 2010s versus 2016, much less comparing 2000 to the present.

Worldwide, X-Men Apocalypse made about as much as Ant-Man did.

edited 2nd Aug '16 3:22:54 PM by Galadriel

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Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:22:35 PM

Eh, by X-metrics, it still did really good in foreign markets. It's about $100 million ahead of the average.

  1. Days of Future Past - $514 million.
  2. Deadpool - $419 million.
  3. Apocalypse - $379 million.
  4. The Wolverine - $282 million.
  5. X3 - $225 million.
  6. First Class - $207 million.
  7. Origins: Wolverine - $193 million.
  8. X2 - $193 million.
  9. X-Men - $139 million.

edited 2nd Aug '16 3:23:48 PM by TobiasDrake

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Aug 3rd 2016 at 2:02:39 PM

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I wouldn't say that they despised it considering the Cinemascore was A- and the second weekend drop was about the same as Days of Future Past. Many people just didn't give it a shot because the premise was generic and the mega early divisive reviews hurt it.

edited 3rd Aug '16 2:06:07 PM by ManOfSin

Aug 3rd 2016 at 9:58:15 PM

Do you think we will see Angel again? I mean, the dude has a healing factor in the comics and his body wasn't as messed up as it should have been.

Aug 4th 2016 at 12:13:11 PM

Darwin's ability should make him damn-near impossible to kill yet....

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Aug 4th 2016 at 12:45:35 PM

Do you think we will see Angel again? I mean, the dude has a healing factor in the comics and his body wasn't as messed up as it should have been

That's the magic word: "in the comics". After years of watching the Fox X-Men movies, I have been condentioned to believe that none of the things presented in the movie will be comic book accurate. So far we have a tall and very attractive Wolverine, a Magneto whose magnetic powers doesn't allow him to create force fields and change the magnetic fields of non-metal objects, a Juggernaut who is a mutant instead of being an Avatar to a mythical god, all the alien shit involving Phoenix, everything about First Class (the team line up, the complete change in origin story, Mystique being a founding member, etc) and the amount of time it took for the team to sport their iconic comic costumes (well, First Class got that issue right). So its best not to believe things in the movies will be 100% accurate to the comics.

The writers most likely didn't take account on said secondary powers he developed and just said he died in that plane crash. If he is alive then there would of been a seen where they recover his still healing body and take him to the X-Mansion where eventually, like Storm, will join the X-Men . . . . . oh god, that's idea #238 for how I would of improve the X-Men films.

edited 4th Aug '16 12:47:02 PM by BigK1337

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Aug 4th 2016 at 1:08:03 PM

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Actually...

Magneto did have a force field in that movie. You can see it and its mentioned by Quicksilver.

Movie Juggy was based on the Ultimate version, who was a mutant and had no relation to Xavier. The costume was even inspired by that version. Tons of things in the X-men films are inspired by that canon since X2.

The alien phoenix stuff in the comics was actually a forced retcon to bring Jean back from the dead. Originally, that was nothing but another mutation. Right now, they seem to be going down the Ultimate Phoenix route. With the bad Phoenix dreams about the end of the world.

The original line up for the X-men by Stan Lee faced cancellation. So they also went down the Ultimate route. In that canon Mystique was the lover of Xavier who than sided with Magneto, who was the one that caused Xavier's paralysis.

Psylocke also didn't join the team. Then again, that's probably not Betsy.

edited 4th Aug '16 3:14:52 PM by ManOfSin

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Aug 4th 2016 at 2:18:59 PM

[up] The Magneto I agree with to an extent. However, like First Class on the more comic accurate costumes, it took them long to adapt a more comic accurate powers of Magneto. In fact that only happen due to Apocalypse unlocking his fullest potential, which is different to the comics where Magneto already unlock those abilities without the need of Apocalypse.

For points that site the Ultimate takes; dude its Ultimate, not a lot of people will often look towards their take in high regards in portraying the Marvel characters. Especially the X-Men where they are bigger jerkasses in that universe, all of the more out there stories (like the Shi'ar Empire, Mojo, Mr. Sinister) have been heavily dial back, and Juggernaut being mutant instead of an empowered human is met with not high reception for how different they are from the comics. Plus just making Juggernaut a mutant kind of eliminates the ungodly nature of the character with his inhuman strength that literally makes him unstoppable.

Agree with the Phoenix point. I guess it is one of those retcons that is ingrained in a lot of fans brains. Case in point, Magneto being Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's father. Other case in point, Mystique's family.

Again on Ultimate Marvel, some things should be adapted from there and somethings shouldn't. Either way, it's still not accurate to the original comics in terms of the story.

Same could be said for Angel given how he is just like his comic counterpart in name and appearance only.

But the point of my post is that the movies for the most part hardly represent the original comics accurately. Even if they borrow elements from Ultimate comics (which also tend to hardly resemble the original universe), it still not close to the X-Men fans know and love. And all it took was two bad movie to make the studio eventually realize that maybe straying too much away from the source material might not be a good idea and we should start being a little more comic book accurate (emphasis on little as it took them over a decade to have them in colorful costume). So really, Angel is dead due the creators of the film not taking to account specific elements in the comic book lore.

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Aug 4th 2016 at 4:01:36 PM

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Really? The Ultimate line was very successful for a long time until Jeph Loeb killed it. The MCU also heavily takes elements from the Ultimate line and Ant-man heavily took from the MC2. Of course both franchises leave out the idiotic aspects like the incest between Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. Kevin Fiege helped build both franchises so its no surprise.

Not saying I agree with it. Just that those things you mentioned are from the comics. Just not from the original version.

The creative team knows The Last Stand and Origins were bad movies. That was mainly the fault of former Fox Executive Tom Rothman.

edited 4th Aug '16 4:05:51 PM by ManOfSin


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