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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#251: May 26th 2016 at 11:41:53 AM

When I see people with sword and shield drawn, I tend to think they are going to fight.

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#253: May 26th 2016 at 11:43:51 AM

[up][up] Or they are doing LARP. [lol]

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#254: May 26th 2016 at 11:46:15 AM

Is this the new plot twist? That the Amazons have been LARPers all along?

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#255: May 26th 2016 at 1:49:08 PM

In ancient warfare, royalty and leaders had more ornate "combat" gear to stand apart from the rest of the soldiers. That included headpieces and cloaks. It's only been the last 200 years or so, with the advent of sniping, that militaries have opted not to put bulls-eyes on their commanding officers.

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#256: May 26th 2016 at 1:58:56 PM

[up]And that is because as rule, we human are very soft compare with our weapons, if someone try to snipe WW she will just jump him, more pissed off that anything.

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#257: May 27th 2016 at 8:59:23 AM

The villain in the Wonder Woman movie will be Ares. Umberto Gonzalez of Heroic Hollywood also said that the plot details he reported last year on Wonder Woman are “100% correct”.

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#258: May 27th 2016 at 9:00:51 AM

[up]Well, aside from the "WW is looking for the sword in Bv S".

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#259: May 27th 2016 at 9:01:40 AM

The bad guy being Ares is fairly easy to guess given the setting. It would be weird if they ''didn't use him.

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#260: May 27th 2016 at 9:04:31 AM

In casting news!

[up][up] Well, she was looking at a sword in Bv S.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#261: May 27th 2016 at 3:15:31 PM

Oh, she's going to walk between two worlds, as Kevin Smith would say. Not bad.

DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#262: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:34:18 AM

I wonder which origin they will go with. Made from clay or daughter of Zeus?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#263: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:35:26 AM

Seems like they're going for daughter of Zeus. I preferred the clay origin but I think the movie can be good without it.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#264: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:47:10 AM

Charles Roven has already said that they're going with the daughter of Zeus origin for her, and I believe that Cavill has hinted at that as well. Which honestly, I'm fine with. It's the "murdering rapist" New 52 Amazons that I really hope that they ditch personally.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#265: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:08:30 AM

And it honestly makes the most amount of sense. Diana is regularly challenged by other Amazons and they prove to be about the same strength and toughness as her. Making her origin as something specific like being formed of clay doesn't add anything, while you could argue the other Amazons have some divine lineage themselves. And there is a lot more potential stories with her being descended from the pantheon and the Big, Screwed-Up Family it is.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#266: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:12:11 AM

There's no mention of these Amazons being of divine lineage in this or any continuity. The only time the Amazons had powers equal to Diana was in the Golden Age and that was because they all had Charles Atlas Superpower.

The clay origin does kind of work as a metaphor for women who want children but can't give birth so use other means and it ties into the Amazons' history victims of oppression.

And apart from screwed up families, that's all that you get with the Zeus origin. They've been telling WW stories for decades without it.

edited 8th Jun '16 2:13:00 AM by windleopard

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#267: Jun 8th 2016 at 11:04:29 AM

Diana regularly has to content with rogue Amazons, if they were simply Batman-level badass normals they wouldn't be any problem. Some versions imply that their divine items such as the bracelets are what give them power.

The demi-goddess origin is just a simpler and more direct origin while the clay figure origin is needlessly complicated.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#268: Jun 8th 2016 at 11:48:09 AM

Diana regularly has to content with rogue Amazons

Not as regularly.

Some versions imply that their divine items such as the bracelets are what give them power.

That's not the same as them being of divine lineage

The demi-goddess origin is just a simpler and more direct origin while the clay figure origin is needlessly complicated.

What is so complicated about the clay origin? The animated movie did it just fine.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#269: Jun 8th 2016 at 11:51:41 AM

[up][up] ]Diana is slightly under Kryptonian levels of strength and endurance without blessings, so the same should apply to the rest of her kind, right?

On the other hand, Simone's Wonder Woman was given many physical divine blessings: Hermes' super flight ( 15,000 mph/reach 100+ miles high in a few seconds), Artemis' eagle sight (eyes pierce through darkness/ears can locate almost any movement), Aphrodite's beauty (cosmetics are pointless), Athena's knowledge (fast learning/ at kindergarten age she was a walking zoological encyclopaedia), etc.

edited 8th Jun '16 11:57:58 AM by FictionWriterKing

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#270: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:11:49 PM

She didn't seem that below Superman in terms of power in BVS (and apparently she has other abilities that we didn't see there because they're saving them for this movie as well).

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#271: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:49:41 PM

I wasn't arguing the bracelets make them of divine origin, it's that there has to be an explanation for why the Amazon's are all comparable to Diana if they don't have the same origin. If Diana is half God, the other Amazons could easily be explained as quarter god or less.

The whole "made from clay" adds pretty much nothing to her character. She doesn't struggle with perception of free will, the inability to connect with others or even a fear of water because of that artificially born from magic origin. What she does have is immense loyalty to her sisters and a rivalry with the other gods, along with belonging to a mythology rife with demi-gods. The Justice League cartoon hints at the clay origin but even they sort of just shrug it off saying it doesn't really matter.

In any case it's one of those changes that deviates from the classic comics but is mostly superficial in how it impacts the rest of the story. Like Batman Begins show the Waynes being killed after leaving a play, or Man of Steel having Krypton destroyed because they mined the core of the planet.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#272: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:48:49 PM

The Heinberg run did have an arc revolving around whether she was human with the clay origin. There's also Gail Simone's runa bout a group of Amazons who saw Diana as a threat to them and tried to kill her seeing her as an abomination.

And aside fro family drama, the Zeus origin doesn't bring anything particularly innovative not to mention takes attention from her mother and we have few stories revolving around mother an daughters in superhero fiction. The clay origin emphasizes Hippolyta's role in Diana's creation and creates a nuique bond between them.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#273: Jun 8th 2016 at 5:53:03 PM

Why not have Zeus be her father because he was the god that breathed life into the clay sculpture that Hippolyta has made?

Halberdier17 We Are With You Zack Snyder from Western Pennsylvania Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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#274: Jun 8th 2016 at 5:56:56 PM

[up]Isn't that what the comics did recently?

Maybe it was that they faked the clay origin so Hera didn't find out that Zeus was her father.

I wonder if eventually in the DCEU they would touch upon Wonder Woman's brother Jason which was first mentioned in DC Universe Rebirth #1.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#275: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:03:07 PM

Haven't read a Wonder Woman comic nor have I touched Rebirth. Nothing against them, just haven't found a DC character interesting enough for me to follow.


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