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Figured we might as well make a separate thread for the Wonder Woman film coming out in 2017 (or later if things change). Post news regarding production or just what you want to see happen.
Do it all from the ground up. Design the costume with live action in mind first, comic book aesthetic later. Plot that best exploits modern film techniques (and by that I don't mean Orange/Blue Contrast, though Red Blue contrast is just fine considering the subject) references to the comic book later. Antagonist that can be made believable through film technology first, adapting comic book rogues is secondary.
In short, do it like Blade (no, that doesn't mean copy the Blade movie, it means try to make something whose likeness will go back to the comics or at least stand as its own separate work, go no further than Batman Brave And Bold cartoon if you really need a reference point). The only particularly necessary details should be large amazon warrior.
I think a Wonder Woman movie should have a similar feel to 300 what with its mythology.
edited 5th Sep '15 3:38:26 PM by 123tbones
No. No no no. No no no no no nononnononononononooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Wonder Woman's world wouldn't go well with 300-style stylizations.
Not to mention that 300 is more of a historical fanfic (with lots of flaws, of course), rather than a story with a mythological basis/realm/grounding.
edited 5th Sep '15 7:10:12 PM by Quag15
300 is a very unique style of historical epic, but I don't think Wonder Woman should emulate the "boisterous Shakespearean" tone it had. What is really unique about 300 is that it combines very stylized cinematography with incredibly raw and brutal choreography. I'd prefer Wonder Woman be in those kind of action scenes over the dance routine / She-Fu / gymnastic choreography.
Wondy is as powerful as Supes and as skilled at fighting as Bats. Fuck She-Fu, she should straight up dominate like a boss.
You know, after trying to solve the situation diplomatically, of course.
edited 5th Sep '15 9:13:13 PM by Ekuran
What they need to do is ABSOLUTELY DEFINE WHO Wonder Woman is.
She's in the big Trio of DC with Batman and Superman, yet basically everyone I ever talk to can never define her to me besides 'The Chick'. Superman is light and justice and a super hero classic while Batman is dark, gritty, and anti-hero with a very intimate Rogues Gallery. Wonder Woman is known to the public to most people as 'The Chick'.
They need to figure out what kind of woman is she. What does she believe in? What are her core themes and values? Truth and Honest have been there since the beginning, but those are very broad concepts. And where do those concepts go to here?
What about the other characters? She has a boyfriend from the earlier iterations (I don't know where he is in the newer comics). Does she meet him in the first movie? Will she have a love-interest plot at all?
What about the Mythos? How much will we see of the Great Amazons she hails from? What drives her to leave them and come to earth?
I REALLY don't want to see them fuck this character up. Don't Make her Ageof Ultron!Black Widow. BLECH.
Well there's the fact that she's the only member of the Trinity who doesn't have a secret identity. She's a monarch and Ambassador to her people. She grew up on an island where pretty much everyone but her experienced the worst humanity has to offer. She knows Man's World is flawed but is not beyond saving.
I suppose a theme with her villains is how they show the ugliest parts of humanity combined mystic or paranormal powers:
Cheetah - An archeologist who gained her powers using deception and murder.
Circe - Like the Amazons. Circe has seen the ugliest parts of humanity having lived for centuries if not longer, and thinks they must be destroyed.
Dr. Psycho - A misogynist who uses his psychic powers to torment women. You could get some genuinely frightening moments with him. Personally, I'd lose the dwarfism.
Ares - The God of War who sees conflict as being in man's nature and sees no point in stopping it.
Zeus - Although he's never been a villain in the WW comics, he does have a history of being a condescending ass to her, so might as well take that to it's logical conclusion.
I'd also add a quintet of villains consisting of Theseus, Achilles, Ajax, Jason and Odysseus.
edited 6th Sep '15 4:18:54 AM by windleopard
If they use Ares that would be cool because he is Wonder Woman's grand father depending on if they follow mythology because Wonder Woman's mother is Ares' daughter in mythology.
Zeus would be Wonder Woman's father in the DCEU just like the current continuity in the comics.
That's if current continuity is used. I'd touch it and all other comic book continuities as sparingly as possible.
For example, X-Men Magneto wasn't the nigh omnipotent god he is in the comics and everything wasn't about Wolverine(not in the first movie anyway). The plot was better for it. It'd have been nice if Rogue was originally a villain associated with Mystique who permanently stole a superhero's powers in an attempt to kill her but became a good guy after draining Rom The Space Knight. I still like that version of Rogue. But the movie version was just fine(for the first movie, anyway). Mystique doesn't serve anyone without blackmail, sex and or the ability to see the future but movie Mystique working for Magneto worked out well. Movie Toad not being a toady was cool too. Nightcrawler being a pacifist instead of a sword master was great.
Somethings could have been dropped altogether. Making Calypso a composite character was alright. Movie Juggernaut was a mutant but why did there have to be a movie Juggernaut in the first place if you didn't want to use comic book origin? So you could have him reference a meme? Could have just come up with a new mutant who calls someone a bitch in a similar manner whose design could be done justice by the film since it would have been designed with the film in mind from the get go.
"Mystique doesn't serve anyone without blackmail, sex and or the ability to see the future but movie Mystique working for Magneto worked out well."
anyone except Destiny. Mystique loves Destiny. Mystique dies for Destiny. Mystique x Destiny. they are like peanut butter and jelly. salt and pepper. fish and chips. ham and eggs. soup and crackers. ratchet and clank. jak and daxter. mario and lugie. a red neck and his gun. they are forever bounded. her heart belongs to no one else.
edited 6th Sep '15 6:20:54 AM by xbimpy
Ink Dagger up until the 80s there really wasnt a definitive wonder woman. Josh Byrne made Wonder Woman form DC's holy trinity and before then Batman and S Uperman were the face of DC, while wonder woman despite the popularity we now think she has now laid in the background. she did not sell well for the company in the 60s and 70s. Dennis OíNeill tried to modernize her because DC thought women werent reading them. but now decades later we can summarize her as a powerful, intelligent, charismatic and competent hero who stands above most JLA members based on the collection of best stories told. everything else is related to lore and power set. that depends on which era or run they inspire from or maybe nothing at all and just go with their own thing. wonder woman had some of the most reboots and alterations in comic history
Amazon Battle Pray: To those above, from those below. I ask that my enemy surrender, or failing that, that he falls in battle, without further bloodshed and grieving from his loved ones. I ask you to protect my allies, whose only folly is valuing my life above their own. Do them no harm, I ask, with everything my heart is or ever will be. But grant us victory, this above all. For any other ending means the death of all I hold dear.You created this ground I tread upon. Allow me the strength to stand on it, ítil my mission is done. And so it is, among the blood and tears, that I practice my faith.
Wonder Woman: We have a saying, my people. ĒDonít kill if you can wound, donít wound if you can subdue, donít subdue if you can pacify, and donít raise your hand at all until youíve first extended.
edited 6th Sep '15 7:10:46 AM by xbimpy
Josh Byrne made Wonder Woman form DC's holy trinity
John Byrne. That's his name. And no, he wasn't the first one to establish Wonder Woman as part of the Trinity. That would be George Perez, who rebooted Wonder Woman post Crisis on Infinite Earths. Perez basically recreated Wonder Woman and placed her as part of the pantheon of powerful DC heroes.
They should built up on the version of the 1970s...she is the most mainstream due to the TV show, and she is the one who is considered a feminist icon. Plus, that version was actually clear defined.
She was physically strong, but not necessarily a warrior. Her training was more about pushing her to the limits of what she can do than actually wanting to go to war. She was a messenger of peace and truth. She was as much a diplomat as a fighter. She was kind of a fighting pacifist, meaning she actually didn't believe in violence but thought that it was the only resort to deal with certain threats. And she was very educated, especially in the works of the Greek philosopher.
Her character was mostly about pushing herself to be the best she possible can be, and since she grew up without the concept of restriction set on her, she was incredible powerful.
That's the Wonder Woman I want. Not some blood-thirsty warrior gal or a straw feminist, but a woman who knows what she is fighting for and who would set her weapon aside in certain situations...something Batman never does and Superman barely considers. Someone who is able to read people correctly and uses that to her advantage.
actually wonder woman first appeared beside superman and batman in All-Star Comics #36, 1947. justice society america.
anyway George Perez revisited her history with the Greek deities and since it was Crisis on Infinite Earths ALL significant DC characters could intermingle from any location in a much more natural way. several Gods had an equal part in bringing Wonder Woman to life under Peereze. people dont like John Bryne anyway because they think he made Wonder Woman's secondary characters more important and other shit. he did put her on pair with Batman and Supernman though. i forget that was thanks to Peereze. yes if it wasnt for Perez's Crisis On Infinite Earths take on Wonder Woman then DC might have lost control over the character. William Moulton Marsters said she needed to keep on publishing her titles but the sales were not looking good year after year. 1987 changed that. up until the 80s she was blagh meh argh.
edited 6th Sep '15 9:23:25 AM by xbimpy
I wouldn't worry about Wonder Woman's fighting style, Faora most definitely averted She-Fu. With a sword and shield as her weapons she definitely won't be doing too much flippy shit.
And with Gal Gadot in the role I'm not expecting a full on Blood Knight at least. I'm expecting grace, intelligence, and strength of personality at the very least. She could be a Straw Feminist but I highly doubt it
edited 6th Sep '15 9:37:10 AM by Mr.Didact
I'd like to see how they implement the Lasso into fight scenes.
I didn't say "appeared alongside Superman and Batman." I said "part of the Trinity." There was no Trinity back then. There was the JSA, of which Superman and Batman were "honorary members" and of which Wonder Woman was the secretary (yes, really), but that was it.
She became better as time went on and had a good run of issues written by Robert Kanigher (he wrote her for twenty years), but she was never really as popular as Superman and Batman. In the wake of Crisis on Infinite Earths, it was decided to reboot her completely and change her character to make her on-par with Superman and Batman, making her more of a warrior and giving her flight and strength on par with Kryptonians.
The last pre-Crisis Wonder Woman story was written by Trina Robbins and Kurt Busiek and it was called The Legend of Wonder Woman. After that, Perez rebooted her and recreated her along with Themyscira. Perez's version turned out to be the most popular and resulted in Wonder Woman becoming part of the Trinity.
edited 6th Sep '15 10:32:03 AM by alliterator
"but now decades later we can summarize her as a powerful, intelligent, charismatic and competent hero"
The problem is... We can describe MOST super heroes with similar terms. What makes wonder woman unqiue besides her being a woman? That's something the writers need to develop out.
Personally, I'd love to see her be... I don't want to say 'ditzy', but vastly confused by Earth Society. But not on a level that she's a complete idiot; she IS smart after all, but she is confused until things are explained to her and she finds it facinating. I think that, if one thing it would be nice to define her by, is not just her intellect, but her desire for knowledge and understanding and utter interest into exactly what earth life is like. We see daily life as passive and repetitive, she sees it as this vast and beautiful complex system of living stories and etc.
It, at the very least, would make her stand out compared to other line ups.
The struggle with Wonder Woman is that she's never had a definitive personality, even the Lynda Carter version was pretty vanilla. The alternative was making her into a warrior, but that by itself is also not very interesting. What exactly is her ultimate goal? For Superman it's protecting people from greater threats. For Batman it's undermining the criminal element controlling society. For Wonder Woman she just seems to show up and fight bad guys.
There is some interesting implications with how Dawn of Justice seems to be handling her, implying that she and Bruce Wayne had known each other before Superman came into the picture. Since it seemed like the world wasn't aware of anyone even close to Superman's power that means she was in the background, possibly keeping The Masquerade in check.
With that in mind, it would be interesting if she was portrayed as someone raised in a different culture and through the power of her virtues is trying to change our society for the better. Instead of being an ambassador she would be more like a lobbyist or an activist. I think they've played the NaÔve Newcomer a bit much already.
She's been all three. This isn't new.
She wants peace and equality for all but knows that this won't always be achieved by simply talking. She wants to have her people overcome their past hatred for Man's World but knows and understand where that hatred comes from. This isn't something I'm making up, it's been stated in almost every incarnation. Her motivations don't change much, but her supporting cast, costumes, power level and all that other stuff does.
edited 7th Sep '15 1:02:34 AM by windleopard
That's what makes Wonder Woman different for me...peace and how you can achieve it is rarely a theme which turns up in Batman or Superman stories. Batman is all about Justice, so his stories are normally about how to deal with crime. Superman stands for hope, so his stories are mostly about turning up in dire situations and protecting people. Wonder Woman is about truth, which makes her fight more complicated. It is not about simply catching the "evil people" or protecting the "good people", it is about figuring out what is right in any given situation and then act - and that doesn't necessarily mean going all warrior woman.
If nothing else, I just want a scene where Wonder Woman works at Taco Whiz.
I'm sorry, but some things should just never be spoken of again.
That aside, how do you guys think the Amazons should be portrayed.
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