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Dec 12th 2018 at 11:10:36 PM

Hey, tropers. You remember the Tale of Life I wanted to get approval for? Well, I'm finished with it.

Tales of Ascension: From Data to Flesh and Blood

It covers the rework of the Doki Doki Literature Club, and its transition to just being a simple game in a temple to a clubroom with its characters.

I would like some feedback on it.

Unimportant on the grand scheme of things, but I think in light of the Persona Overhaul, I best replace the reason the trio of Sensor-types collaborate together from Alphys (a Pre-Overhaul Persona-user) to Tomoyo (whose trip is being retconned to taking place before Shattered Illusion), with Fuuka and Rise later inviting Futaba as soon as she ascended.

We should also have the following Tales of Life:

  • One involving the children of the Pantheon. Not just the CMC (again) or the human kids, but others as well, like the dinosaurs.
  • One involving the Mouse World (and maybe the small invertebrates, too).

[down]For what? The DDLC story? You aren't even an established enough member to judge. I think.

Edited by nightelf37 on Dec 19th 2018 at 6:10:40 PM

Siegfried1337 Waiting for Heaven's Feel III to come out from Lothric Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Waiting for Heaven's Feel III to come out
Dec 19th 2018 at 12:51:58 AM

[up][tup] for the DDLC story.

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Dec 20th 2018 at 12:25:03 PM

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Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Relationship Status: Californicating
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
Dec 27th 2018 at 4:22:08 AM

Safind and I have been working now getting the Project Gentaro stories on (specifically the last story and its character sheet)

Since it's almost 7 PM in Myanmar, can anyone go to the character page for the Project and help out cause we need multiple pages for ALL the groups involved in this freaking trilogy and I'm a bit busy right now.

In the meantime, I see that we have new Millennium Comet arcs coming in, care to tell me what that's about?

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
Dec 28th 2018 at 5:23:35 AM

[up]Hey, Camilla. Remember that we still have the Shattered Illusion rework to finish. As always, you can find the links in my Sandbox 3.

Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
Dec 28th 2018 at 3:50:35 PM

[up][up] Well madam, let me explain.

The Millennium Comet Arc revolves around several stories meant to explore the Pantheon a bit more and bring in new characters who haven't been featured in the tales for either a while, or at all. Mechanical Outbreak and Rainbow Rivalries are the first stories in this arc and you can read them over on the Wordpress page.

Time to explore the world!
CrownlessMimic This LOVE of mine! from 80% Rain and Clouds, 20% Sun Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
This LOVE of mine!
Dec 28th 2018 at 4:57:23 PM

[up] Honestly, I hope the stories that come after MO and RR continue the trend of newer/underused characters getting a chance to shine seeing as though it's easy for them to fall into Spotlight-Stealing Squad and (as far as I'm aware of) previous Tales definitely had that problem.

Traitor's Requiem
Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Relationship Status: Californicating
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
Dec 28th 2018 at 11:07:55 PM

[up]I kinda agree that happened in my trilogy but more because it plays on a theme of them: things that seem insignificant actually are MORE than what they seem and since most of the characters in the first two stories moved to Diamond Adventure!, I had to make what I could.

I'm not sure if I'll be around for another story but if anyone wants to make references to my trilogy and need some questions answer, don't be afraid to ask.

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
Dec 29th 2018 at 8:53:37 PM

[up][up] Oh don't worry. There will be. Several more stories are being planned, with outlines listed on the Wordpress page. After Rainbow Rivalries is Homunculus Theory and On Shadowed Wings. They'll be the next parts of the "Rainbow Rocket" trilogy.

Edited by Bazzardreturns on Dec 29th 2018 at 8:53:51 AM

Time to explore the world!
Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Relationship Status: Californicating
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
Dec 30th 2018 at 7:15:07 PM

[up]I may not be involved in those stories, but I do have a story in mind revolving around our pathetic Prophets.

They never did anything in Year one — and essentially ignored my trilogy — so wouldn't a lot of gods be complaining over this? If these prophets aren't gonna warn people, why should they be ascended?

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
HotmanX32 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Jan 3rd 2019 at 5:02:20 AM

[up] As interesting as that idea is, you're done dancing themes and concepts on here. You want to have a theme on prophecies, yet you have the crusaders kidnapped for the third time just so you stories won't be glossed over. It's tiresome.

Trope Pantheon Story site
Jan 3rd 2019 at 5:39:03 AM

[up][up]I'll have to agree with Hotman there. Sorry, Camilla.

[up]I know I'm at a terrible standing with you, but I got these things I don't think can be resolved in singular trivia bullets (or maybe they can, if I could just receive feedback that's more than just a succinct refusal).

  1. The inevitability that someone can steal the Meta-Nav from the Phantoms. I've at least tried to cover that bit in Futaba's profile and in the GUAG White Hats page.
  2. The eventuality of Goro Akechi encountering the Phantoms face-to-face once again. With all the friends and enemies they've been making, they can't stay separated forever.
  3. The first Palace Heist of the Phantoms, including Calling Card and present ramifications of sending one (i.e. more than just the group in danger if they do so).
  4. An alternative to Palace Heists (not stealing hearts of their targets, but doing what they did to the Shadow of Sae Niijima, right before Akechi's betrayal).

Camilla and I are at work on Phantom Thieves stories to cover these. Of course, we'll have to complete them first before they can be properly judged. B Ut you can by accessing the links in my Sandbox 3.

Edited by nightelf37 on Jan 3rd 2019 at 9:40:11 PM

Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
Jan 4th 2019 at 5:40:37 AM

[up][up][up] Miss Camilla,

I couldn't help but notice the article written for Penny for a Prophet over in the Pantheon Stories section. I had thought the decision here was a no to that story.

Edited by Bazzardreturns on Jan 4th 2019 at 7:48:41 AM

Time to explore the world!
CrownlessMimic This LOVE of mine! from 80% Rain and Clouds, 20% Sun Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
This LOVE of mine!
Jan 4th 2019 at 8:25:57 PM

[up][up] Do all the future stories you have really got to be all Phantom Thieves-centered?

Traitor's Requiem
Siegfried1337 Waiting for Heaven's Feel III to come out from Lothric Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Waiting for Heaven's Feel III to come out
Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Relationship Status: Californicating
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
Jan 4th 2019 at 11:08:40 PM

[up][up][up]Really? No one ever tells me things these days...

First off, I apologize if—once again—my ideas are being discarded. Second of all, this story is one I wanted to get out of my mind because when you think about it, what good is a Prophecy House if it's not willing to indulge in prophecies?

And before you ask, the CMC thing is actually blown out of proportion in universe (they were just sent to Ponyville unexpectedly and didn't have time to write a message saying 'brb') but it goes with the theme of how gods can blow things out of proportion along with the prophets having to prove that they're capable of warning others.

Penny for a Prophet is essentially questioning and deconstructing destiny and prophecy tropes in a pantheon still trying to stabilize itself after a hell of a Year One. At most, it's two acts, has a new set of characters (With all of the PAG ones only being referenced in the prologue to speed things along) and is meant to be much lighter than my trilogy.

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
SomeoneElse17 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Jan 5th 2019 at 12:50:18 AM

[up] Here's the problem. In your attempt to deconstruct the problems with the Prophecy house, you're making several critical basic errors of assumption about what issues are even there to be deconstructed.

  1. All deities in the House of Prophecy have been there since the beginning of the Pantheon. This is impossible when deities are being added, removed, and moved about on a regular basis.
  2. All deities in the House of Prophecy are there because they can see the future. This ignores the many tropes related to prophecy/fate/destiny outside of that concept.
  3. All deities in the House of Prophecy are omniscient in their abilities. This is already absurd considering there is no such thing as a house in the Pantheon which is mostly Overdeities and Greater Gods, House of Prophecy included.
  4. All deities in the House of Prophecy are supposed to be good guys. There's about an even ratio of good and neutral deities, and yes, a few evil ones.
  5. All deities in the House of Prophecy have done absolutely nothing to help against any of the crises in the Pantheon. …come on now.

And for the CMC thing, whether it's overblown or not I have a bit of a problem with it. The CMC are so tied to Gangrel and Luna Vachon that it's impossible to write Gangrel into anything without them being mentioned. Blade's flavor text all of a sudden had them involved in a sub-bullet of Gangrel's main bullet after I ascended him, and I wasn't even trying to go with that angle at all despite knowing about it. I like the bloody grinning pseudo-vampire from the Attitude Era, he's one of my favorite characters in my time as a wrestling fan, but I don't want to have to deal with the weirdness of seeing the My Little Pony B-Team included in everything he does. Furthermore, by having him and Luna's main role in the Pantheon be as the CMC's unofficial designated babysitters and then having the CMC get sent away/kidnapped/etc. repeatedly, they look like complete fools. Before trying to petition the entire Prophecy house for being useless, one would think deities who know the score would be calling them out!

Edited by SomeoneElse17 on Jan 5th 2019 at 12:52:20 PM

Jan 5th 2019 at 2:00:46 AM

@Sieg: Were you addressing me? Because I definitely don't remember.

@Crownless: No. Just those. Then I can probably start thinking of others. But I'm willing to accept bullet note-only alternatives. Especially given my current standing. One of my planned works is a Doki Doki Literature Club! Tale of Ascension. It's done. I'm just waiting for the green light from Hotman, who has (rightfully) barred me from editing. You can find the link in my post on the top of this page.

Then again, I think I can just post them on FF.Net like so, so long as no Real Life characters are featured (Wrestling characters however are either exempt or at a gray area). It can then be regarded as Loose Canon.

Edited by nightelf37 on Jan 5th 2019 at 11:52:21 PM

Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Relationship Status: Californicating
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
Jan 8th 2019 at 9:53:36 PM

Okay so I have taken some time to consider this, so let's get this out of the way.

For the most part, the House of Prophecy stays, I have no plan on removing it. The story just questions what is the purpose of prophecy gods who are unwilling to give warnings when, if you see the scope of what happens in Year One, there is chaos going around them?

The theme of this is about gods and belief: as American Gods shows, gods need prayer and belief and offerings to live. In the Pantheon, there's no need for that...but prophecies and warnings need people to LISTEN and in my PAG stories, practically everything that happens is because no one takes the time to listen (Dean Ambrose calls Kaiba "not important" and it leads to a Zombie Apocalypse, for example). BROKEN Matt, whose "premo-NEE-tions" are what kickstarts the final story states, "No one believes a prophet" as his reason why never warns anyone; but it is absolutely hypocritical because he's stating that he himself doesn't want to believe warnings either.

The problem stems from gods afraid, gods in fear, gods uncertain...they DO NOT know what is going to happen next. They want comfort, they want security...they want to be warned of shit that hits the fan.

And adding onto this, they are so panicky about things that happened in the past that they don't know if history will repeat or not. The CMC play a MINOR role in this story, but gods are panicking and are afraid that it will lead to something bigger (because the CMC have Small Role, Big Impact in my stories) and, well, it snowballs.

I honestly thank you for being critical with those points Someone, because it gave me time to consider what I want to do in my story. In the end, Penny for a Prophet is all about communication and people taking the time to listen because it is such an important skill these days.

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
safind The Grand Spider Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The Grand Spider
Jan 9th 2019 at 9:27:26 AM

[up]Yet I have not seen this be a problem at all in Year 2. None of the stories have shown such fears being present, nor has this seemed to be a factor in any of the stories so far.

In addition, after the mess that was TDAM, I'm honestly tired of the CMC having any roles period, and the entire story just sounds like another attempt to demonize the House instead of building a proper story analyzing their role in the Pantheon (And something of a retread instead of building on the actual plot points that were set up there).

In other news, I have been privately discussing three story prompts, and have decided to formally propose three Year 2 Tales

1. Revival of Aku - A simple two-act story whereupon Melkor, as the title suggests, places an operation to revive Aku after his defeat in Season 5 of Samurai Jack

2. Daughters of Data - Part of my point on building up the actual plot points, but the premise revolves around the GUAM's activities in the virtual world, specifically the computer program XANA's attacks.

3. Lines of Chaos - An attempt to follow-up on the 'Law and Chaos' plotlines from Year 1, with Bill Cipher as the main antagonist.

Their more detailed prompts are located in my sandbox. Thoughts on approving these three Tales?

I wonder if people avoid me because of the tarantula...
fasoman1996 Lovely Hamster boi from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Lovely Hamster boi
Jan 9th 2019 at 9:36:13 AM

The Pantheon is a huge Fan Myopia and plenty of tropers have different opinions on how different house operates. You squarely focus on the Guardians, weasel wording your way to try and excuse Absol and maybe Cassandra and then proceed slam on the rest. At least i know that both Cassandra and Nozdormu weren't around during the first big changing events in the pantheon, ascending much later and then house of Prophecy was in their baby steps around that time.

Also you conveniently ignore Opposing Fate, where most deities defy fate and try to do what's right.

Hamster boy.
SomeoneElse17 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Jan 9th 2019 at 9:44:46 AM

[up][up][up] The other problem is there are other things already happening at the moment and taking a lot of characters' attention. If Penny for a Prophet has to occur at the same time as one of the other Year 2 planned stories, like say, The Millennium Comet or Homunculus Theory, then at the very least you're gonna have to watch the casting list to make sure you're not intersecting characters.

And given that even in your concession here you're saying the House of Prophecy stays "for the most part," that means you're planning on some kind of end result that's gonna disrupt future plans that have already been added or started being discussed to be added to what I affectionately refer to as the Wordpress scrolls; not to mention possibly contradict anticipated canon events that will play into what we do that are about to be revealed by upcoming releases in the very near future. I'm not just speaking for myself, I've seen the off-site discussions, this will absolutely not be accepted.

Here's your unequivocal BEST chance of getting this plot okayed at all.

  1. It's not gonna be approved as its own full story, I'm just gonna tell you that right now and save everyone the trouble. So agree to have it condensed within another future story that's already been or soon to be incorporated into the scrolls.
  2. Accept that your "calling out the prophets" idea will be a subplot within the parameters the other authors set and not a main plot that takes over the story. For example, no one's gonna allow you to interrupt what they're doing to have a potential mob or political march of 50 or even 13 deities seasoned and prepared to look stupid the minute someone points out the simple logic I gave in my post above.
  3. If the CMC are to be involved as even a mention, you must conclude their story with Gangrel in a way that has his dignity as a character restored while successfully passing the babysitter gig off to Bayley and/or The New Day, so he can be properly written as a neutral-ish vampire again (with a hint of his dirtier interests added).

And speaking of stories…

[up] Have you already brought up a certain idea in the Reworks thread? I need to know if it's okay to bring in my part in that here.

Edited by SomeoneElse17 on Jan 9th 2019 at 9:45:44 AM

fasoman1996 Lovely Hamster boi from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Lovely Hamster boi
Jan 9th 2019 at 2:04:56 PM

[up] Broly right? I will do so tomorrow.

That's when i'm seeing the movie tongue

Hamster boy.
SomeoneElse17 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Jan 9th 2019 at 3:47:37 PM

[up] Lucky. I gotta wait a week.

Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Relationship Status: Californicating
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
Jan 9th 2019 at 11:48:02 PM

I will abide to these rules. Penny for a Prophet will be a very short story, with 2 acts. And yeah, the subplot is of the House of Prophecy trying to quell things down while trying to figure out what else is coming to the Pantheon. Absol gets away with it since she was shown in the stories to be involved. And yeah, Destiny of the Endless and Nozdormu didn't arrive until much MUCH later, when the House of Prophecy was still in its baby form and the CMC were in Ambiguity.

I absolutely agree: the CMC and the vampires will split after this story is over. The Crusaders are growing up and realize that they have to look to a new and better things, or a "new day" as it were. I will have Bayley and the New Day take care of these adorable little ponies from now on (it helps that the four wrestlers are on good terms and are absolutely optimistic). Meanwhile, 'Grel will have to step up to the plate and move on from and, hopefully, get a happy ending because PAG has pretty much chewed him out plenty because of his association with the ponies (insert joke that perhaps the CMC are cursed and all).

I'll move the story to after the Comet so it doesn't conflict with everything else.

So I am glad to find people interested in my story — since I RARELY get reactions from you guys these days — and fate, opposing it, fighting it will be discussed throughout. The gods don't HATE the Prophecy House, they're just scared and afraid of what is to come. And, once again, it's not helping that BROKEN Matt stated "No one believes a prophet."

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
Jan 10th 2019 at 12:48:06 AM

Can Someone Else 17's suggestion make it through to Tropers/{{Camilla}?} What will she do in face of these critiques? And when can I be in good enough standing to contribute stories again?

Find out next page on the Trope Pantheon Story thread! This is nightelf37, signing off. Have a good day!

Edited by nightelf37 on Jan 11th 2019 at 4:53:43 AM


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