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If Beatrice is involved, Magnum better write it. I haven't gotten the time to do Umineko. Sorry.
@magnum, @Chris: This may probably mean that I will make a Call-Back or Continuity Nod to MCW in my Gaiden story since it was supposed to be based on how I wanted Vector to be on MCW before I decided to place it as some time later.
The nod could be Vector mentioning Beato (which makes sense since they are allies, sort of)
In terms of foreshadowing, we could always use stuff like golden butterfly motifs on intel, the golden eagle family crest on marked letters, references to endless magic or a golden witch title.
I'll handle the writing for the reveal when that time comes.
@Grand Disappearance: So you guy didn't object me having this mysterious character in my story? If so, thanks
@Mochi on the Moon: Just finished writing the pseudo-yuri scene between Red and Pink of the Itazura Griefer. I'm planning to implement this idea:
This is the Trope Pantheon, so naturally, there's an overflowing power that secrectly run this place called Trope Power. Thank to Itazura's effort, they now succeeded in harnessing this power and is going to use it at this story.
I will explain the detail if you ask, but can i do this? If i don't see any respond in the next page, i take it at a yes
Well, that why i call her a mysterious character. It's also doesn't help that i'm don't really know who she truly is, and what's her fate later in the story. I do know her origin though.
edited 6th Sep '15 8:06:01 PM by andykhang
No one is going to object because no one knows who the character is
Also, Beatrice needs to be stabbed by Hazama for doing her little stunt.
edited 6th Sep '15 8:03:43 PM by TPPR10
Lovingly explain why you think like that, TPPR.
Because you really think that Terumi/Hazama are going to let her little act slide? Of course not.
I also need to think up a good spot when to wake up Aya from her coma thing.
Of course that would be in-character for Terumi, I agree. However... the matter of how successful the act will be... that is kinda my question. Why do you think he needs to succeed? I mean, I don't mind the reasoning of 'He's already gotten shits thrown to him unfairly in the Pantheon', but I thought you might have something else.
I think all he needs to do is... just stab her. Nothing special, just some stress relief and "Welcome to the Pantheon, bitch" kind of deal.
You have to remember that this is magnum and Umineko. He really loves the show enough to not contemplate what will happen next.
I just forgot myself that Terumi would fight back. So in my Gaiden, I will now have Terumi and the other Trollkaiger members fighting back his other rogue follower Vector and be successful at least until he and his friends create the Itazura Griefers.
I could still drop the story all together if it doesn't get past Chris' quality control since it was meant to be just a Gaiden.
@Andy: I had an idea for your Mochi story, let me see if I could still fit it. Darn, you really should be telling if you kept writing the story since I don't regularly check on the Slice of Life stories.
EDIT: Aaaand, it doesn't fit. But it doesn't matter.
And I'm guessing "Boy" is Rei, right? LOL, going all "prince-y". Your story needs some spell check and grammar check, though.
But you seem to have hitted the nail in everything else, good job.
edited 7th Sep '15 4:24:02 AM by Toony123
Darnit, how did you figure out my secret motive!?
Okay, to be honest, I never liked the idea of involving anyone from When They Cry into the story besides Bernkastel. Especially with magnum instisting they should have like a gamebreaking part on it, like Beatrice just telling everyone it was Terumi's fault. And even then, I had plans of Hazama putting the blame on the rumour mill on her. Though like with Aya, I don't want my decisions be guided by pure dislike for a character but there would be reason for the retribution.
I also need to find a spot where to continue the story of Reisen, Yagyuu and Hibari.
edited 7th Sep '15 4:51:57 AM by TPPR10
Wow... First time in a long while i get a compliment for my story. Thank you
And yeah, i really, really need an editor for fault i can't check. ( i lose my control when writing at night, and forget it right in the morning)
edited 7th Sep '15 6:13:30 AM by andykhang
x3 You've gotta be kidding me. magnum never planned of anything that have a big amount of other characters think highly of her. Now you're just being paranoid. And this is coming from the person who brought up in the last page.
edited 7th Sep '15 7:00:39 AM by HotmanX32
The closest I can think of for magnum being 'controversial' is by claiming Umineko and When They Cry series are being the 'granddaddies' of trolling art. Especially Bernkastel. Anyone else can confirm without being biased with Magnum?
I felt like Bern was the Trope Maker (or so to say) to Terumi's Trope Codifier, but that's it. It's not like trolling hasn't been done before.
edited 7th Sep '15 8:00:35 AM by Toony123
Noob alert incoming
I've been thinking of something. I was thinking of implementing aspects of Puella Arcana Somniator Madoka into Pantheon lore. Basically, Madoka would acquire a Persona (named Alpha) and the Wild Card (just like Yu). But because Homura would not allow Madoka to get hurt under any circumstances, she can't go to the TV World to face Kriemhild Gretchen (and couldn't anyway because it pretty much disappeared when she lost her power), she would get them straight from Philemon himself. As for why? Well, one would think she will need an extra line of defense on top of all the gods who have pledged to protect her (The God-Emperor of Mankind, Son Goku, Superman, Optimus Prime, Asura, etc.)
edited 7th Sep '15 8:24:00 AM by nightelf37
Here is the listing of Troll:
edited 7th Sep '15 9:06:07 AM by Toony123
Welp, looks like Bugs Bunny is the oldest troll.
At this point, I'm not surprised that Madoka is becoming a Sacred Cow (in a different sense) of sorts to the GUAG.
Can you PLEASE explain why it shouldn't happen other than just a plain No. I'm getting really annoyed with your behavior right now.
x2 Only TPPR Did. You didn't.
edited 7th Sep '15 9:09:14 AM by HotmanX32
@Titus Madoka: I think her not wanting to get stronger would go against the very thing that is herself, so doing that to follow the canon wouldn't really make sense (ironically)
@Nightfel: About your idea, mine is more concentrate on the Shadow itself than on her. In fact, i'm making it right now.
Thanks, Captain Obvious. That's the example of her suppose power-up
edited 7th Sep '15 9:09:28 AM by andykhang
We are discussing the reason on the other forum. But in other words, the other guys feel that it's like cheating.
But I don't want to sound like an Hypocrite so I'll discuss with n3xus about my other story thing to make any power-ups temporary (Maybe, when the day's saved, Takatora will take away all the drivers or something). I'll PM n3xus about it, OK?
Btw, I already sent the PM. n3xus will have to inform me if he can help me to expand on the idea that the "power-ups are just temporary".
EDIT: OK, just TPPR 10 did. But I'm going back and forth both forums!
Titus Madoka is just a joke.
edited 7th Sep '15 9:11:33 AM by Toony123
Toony: Thank you for the list of trolls and history. It is an interesting data find.
Troll maybe older than we think but didn't become a popular villain trope until around the 2000's. Probably coinciding with the rise of the internet. Around the same time The Gad Fly got a revival in popularity.
To elaborate, Blaz Blue IIRC was released in November 2008, coming to America in Q2 2009. The reveal regarding Terumi being a troll was in Continum Shift I think (November 2009 in Japan.) Certain Trope Codifier.
The reveal regarding Shion being a troll was in summer 2005, with Takano being Q4 2005. Bernkastel showing her true colors as one was in December 2008. She may arguably be a Deconstruction of trolls, showing that no, trolls are not funny, they're sadistic and cruel.
Discord debuted at the start of season 2 so most likely 2011.
Doubtful regarding Bugs since Troll is about malice. At his worst he was a Screwy Squirrel. He mellowed out into a Karmic Trickster (often Chaotic Neutral with good leanings) in the 50's, also dubbed the golden age of Loony Tunes (when the best of their cartoons showed up). The Bugs here is based on his 50's incarnation
edited 7th Sep '15 6:11:49 PM by magnum12
Just came up with something cool in terms of a story line.
Synopsis: A Fair-Play Whodunnit murder mystery. Features fiendishly difficult murder scenarios. Must comply with either Knox's Decalogue or Van Dyne's 20.
Tone: Affectionate Parody. Requires an Ass Hole Victim of course.
Characters: Obviously, those who never get much screen time. One problem, who besides Batman and Naoto are detectives.
Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot, Nero Wolfe, L, and Mello are some detectives in all the sense of the word (Mello to a lesser extent, though).
There's also Francis York Morgan (albeit a FBI agent... don't know anything about him), the Cowboy Bebop gang (Spike Spiegel, Faye Valentine,... maybe Edward, all space bounty hounters). Garrus Vakarian (vigilante, Cowboy Cop). ... Light Yagami, maybe? No one would want to work with him, probably.
edited 7th Sep '15 7:41:51 PM by TheUncreative
Knox's and Van Dyne's what?
Also, do you just hate compounds?
think of them as a set of codified guidelines in regards to writing a fair play mystery. They were made in the 1920's. You don't nessecarily have to follow them exactly as long as the mystery follows the heart of the concept of fair play. For example, Persona 4 spits on Knox's 2nd (the rule forbidding the use of supernatural means to commit the crime), but is still as a whole faithful to how fair play mysteries work.
I can post the full list for both Knox and Van Dyne if desired as it is an interesting read.
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