Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

The campaign in Star Wars Battlefront 2 has Iden Versio, who may or may not qualify?

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

Iden Versio's actress (who she was also modeled after) is South Asian.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."

Oh cool. She must be mix race given her conspicuously white father.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

Actually, yeah, both the character and actress are mixed race. Iden is half space-Indian and half space-British, and Janina Gavankar is 3/4 Indian and 1/4 Dutch.

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Nov 15th 2018 at 10:02:29 AM

It's neat, even enviable to have ancestry from a variety of places. But it's always amused me when we use fractions to describe ourselves. :/

Edited by Soble on Nov 17th 2018 at 12:43:45 PM

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

I just found out that because I’m 100% Cuban I may have ancestry in Spain, Africa, & the Natives that lived there before the Spanish nearly wiped them out.

I’m from all over.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 17th 2018 at 12:55:46 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

So either the Kenobi film is still on and now has Lucas in the saddle, or Boris Johnson is waffling inanely as he often does.

"Yup. That tasted purple."

I thought Lucas retired from Star Wars. Why would he submit himself to another roasting from the fans again? At best, he'll be a producer.

Given how out of touch BJ is, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't know Lucas had given up the franchise.

"Yup. That tasted purple."

I can at best see Lucas writing some new movie. I doubt he's ever directing again.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

I also doubt that there's going to be an Obi-Wan movie at all. Boris Johnson has a tendency to make shit up in order to suit his own agenda. (See: Boris's Brexit bus which falsely claimed that Britain sent 350 million pounds every week to the EU, which is a bald-faced lie.)

My thoughts on LUKE'S BAD MOMENT and where I think they did it wrong:

I don't think its remotely believable from a man who didn't believe his father, who murdered his surrogate parents as well as whole planets plus cut off his hand, deserved to die. I don't think that Luke would ever think of murdering his own nephew for being unpleasant to the point he MIGHT do something evil in the future.

It's not so much, "Batman would never kill someone." It's more, "Batman would never kill someone's parents with a gun in a dark alley."

Luke could be flawed in many many ways but killing a family member because they're evil is definitely not one of them. Weirdly, I think the exact opposite is a much better motivation. Luke almost killing Kylo Ren? Not possible.

Luke ignoring that his nephew is a homicidal psychotic monster to the point he kills a bunch of his fellow students? Because he believes "Love will redeem?" I can believe that. Indeed, I think that would have been a much better scene where Luke gave Ben every sort of chance and support and it turned out to be a horrible mistake because Ben is a horrible person.

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Didn't Luke hack his father's arm off in a whirling dervish of blithering rage, after deciding that he deserved to be spared? For pretty much the same reason (he was given reason to fear for the future, and it overtook him)?

Luke's always been really bad about that sort of thing (also, him ditching his training and running off to get his ass kicked by Vader because he got a vision of his friends' future pain). Nearly acting on a single moment of fear and then immediately catching himself a second later is something of a huge improvement from the lack of control he has in the OS.

I've always thought that the problem there wasn't Luke. It's that the situation aligned such that even though Luke did do the wise thing, quash that weakness and center himself, he was still punished for what he never even acted on in the first place.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 9th 2018 at 1:06:18 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Yeah, have saintly paragon Luke cruelly betrayed by the Satanic evil child disciple who turns against him even though he did nothing wrong. That sounds truly interesting.

For Luke to be pushed into emotional rage like in Return of the Jedi, it requires build up. Wearing him down with hopeless and temptation guised in the name of good. The Emperor could not simply tell Luke that he should kill him and end the war there. No, the Emperor simply erodes Luke's hope for the Rebellion to force him into a no-win situation. It's a constant attack from both the Emperor and Vader. Luke doesn't simply give into the Dark Side that easily.

This is a major fault in The Last Jedi; we don't know the build up behind Luke's decision. As a result, it seems so sudden and premature. Out of character and with no justification. It was nothing more than just a cheap twist with an afterthought look into Luke's mind.

For the record, it can easily be argued that Batman and Superman are more interesting if they kill people rather than be goody-good Thou Shall Not Kill heroes that the public has come to expect them to be. However, that doesn't translate into a good story.

As was noted above, Luke tries to walk the Jedi path but it's not his highest priority. The moment he got that vision about his friends in pain, he went, "F*ck all'a y'all!" and peaced out on his Jedi Training.

He gets it from his dad. The Skywalkers have always been particularly susceptible to making rash decisions based on tragic visions of the future.

I do agree that we should have been given more build-up to what brought about this decision from Luke in "The Last Jedi". But I also think the question is not as unanswerable as some may have it. Something as simple as Luke having a vision of the slaughter Ben was about to unleash would explain it just fine, given previously established patterns of behavior.

Luke calmly, civilly making a decision to give up on Ben after some time of quiet contemplation? Totally out-of-character.

Luke waking up from a vision and going, "BEN IS GOING TO KILL EVERYONE TONIGHT. Get me my lightsaber, I HAVE TO SAVE US ALL!!!" Entirely in-character.

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Except it wasn't quiet contemplation — he was reading the boy's emotions and felt a huge pull to the Dark Side. And then, almost instinctively, he activated his lightsaber, only pulling back a second later.

Of course, Ben just happening to wake up then could also be a coincidence or this entire event could have also been orchestrated by Snoke. After all, if Snoke has been influencing Ben since he was a child, couldn't he have influenced his emotions just then and made him wake up?

That's what he said. You forgot to quote the second part of that.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 9th 2018 at 9:13:03 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I know, I was just stating that while the second part didn't happen, the first part didn't happen either. The truth is slightly more complicated.

With Last Jedi I think the main factor in whether or not a person likes the movie comes from their interpretation of Luke Skywalker.

My opinion is mostly that Luke's never been shown to be infallible, and also that he gets better in the movie.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"

I've been presuming that the perception of Luke as a saint who wouldn't falter even for a moment comes largely from thinking of the old Expanded Universe, rather than the films.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Whether or not someone likes this movie comes from their interpretation of a lot of things. That much was always clear even when it was freshly released.

For my part I think of The Last Jedi as a wannabe KOTOR II. Lesser in every way to a superior project it was trying to ape. That wouldn't make it a bad film, but it doesn't impress me on technical merits anymore either.

Luke from Return of the Jedi is the last time we saw the character, and he has achieved a good dose of Character Development in that he's more calmer, more pragmatic and more open than we last saw him. In fact, it takes a great amount of time during the Battle of Endor before Luke gives into the urge of using the lightsaber against his enemies. And considering that he ends up triumphing over the Emperor and Vader despite that due to resisting the urge of the Dark Side, it is to be expected that Luke doesn't give in to temptations that easily in the future. Only a series of events that led up to that moment could ever justify that act of attempted murder. Something that one flashback cannot do. Like this video explains it:

Oh, and I never forget what Rian Johnson said about that Luke's moment. It was there for the sake of a twist first and foremost.

Edited by Shadao on Dec 9th 2018 at 9:45:11 AM

And he doesn't. He immediately quashes those momentary temptations and prepares to solve the problem the peaceful way.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

By hiding in some remote planet of nowhere for the past decade, preparing to kill himself and take the torch with him instead of passing it down to the next generation. That's good solution, right there.