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mlsmithca (Edited uphill both ways)
#1: Aug 2nd 2015 at 11:56:42 PM

Couldn't find a thread dedicated to this, but I apologise if this has already been covered in another thread with a more general premise.

So as longtime editors will know, strikethrough markup (y'know, this sort of thing) was disabled about four years ago on the wiki because of rampant misuse for either unfunny jokes or needless Take Thats. After the wiki code overhaul earlier this year, it was re-enabled. I've found several pages where it's being used again for unfunny jokes (no needless Take Thats so far, but I'm sure they're out there), so is strikethrough markup going to be re-disabled, or is it back to stay?

Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#2: Aug 3rd 2015 at 12:27:14 AM

This was noted back when the format changed, so I assume it's here to stay. Which I prefer, frankly. It's a useful tool and I have no problems with the jokes

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#3: Aug 3rd 2015 at 1:24:24 AM

It appears to me that it was re-disabled and thus will go away when edited, unless I missed something.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#4: Aug 3rd 2015 at 1:32:31 AM

It's one of those things that only should be used in the forums, not trope pages. It's similar to Word Cruft because it's not necessary.

edited 3rd Aug '15 1:36:19 AM by Karxrida

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#5: Aug 3rd 2015 at 5:23:13 AM

I've only used it on a trope page once as a joke/Take That to a bad spell(as in casting magic) in a game. I gotta agree it doesn't really add anything, even if I found it funny at the time(I still do, mind you, but eh).

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#6: Aug 3rd 2015 at 6:09:12 AM

I'd support it being removed outside of the forums due to its history of abuse.

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mlsmithca (Edited uphill both ways)
#8: Aug 3rd 2015 at 11:43:23 AM

@3: I just tried including strikethrough markup as part of an edit as an experiment, and it does show up on the page, so it hasn't yet been re-disabled.

I agree with Karxrida's assessment that if the struckthrough text isn't a needless Take That!, it's generally some form of Word Cruft (whether a "joke" or otherwise) that adds nothing of value to the example, and so I'll cast my vote for it to be disabled again.

edited 3rd Aug '15 11:44:11 AM by mlsmithca

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#9: Aug 5th 2015 at 4:33:51 PM

The new admins seem to be slow enough to do anything that not re-disabling strikethrough yet isn't itself dispositive. There's at least one case where having strikethrough markup would make it easier to properly quote something, but it's on a Funny page (Funny.What If) so I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a high priority and certainly doesn't outweigh the propensity to use it for stupid jokes.

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#10: Aug 5th 2015 at 4:38:50 PM

What's in the works right now is such a thorough overhaul of the site's core code that any cosmetic fixes right now would not be worth the time.

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Aug 11th 2015 at 7:43:48 PM

I was one of those tropers who resented at the time the former wiki owner's fiat elimination of strikethrough; in my view, this post presented some of the more valid complaints against its removal. In retrospect, I still think his decision, though grudgingly accepted, was an ill-advised overreaction to tropers' misuse, not much less so than his quickly-abandoned attempts at automatically banning certain words from the wiki.

I have seen strikethrough used frequently in both print media and online articles for respectable sites. I hope the new management will allow passages using strikethrough to remain quotable here in their original form.

edited 11th Aug '15 7:45:52 PM by Prfnoff

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#12: Aug 11th 2015 at 8:55:29 PM

Those sites aren't collaborative works where anyone can drop in and strike out half an article because they think it makes them look clever.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#13: Aug 12th 2015 at 1:21:22 AM

On the other hand, I've suggested a limited re-enablement of such functions (colour markup, strikethrough) for pages that benefit them.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#14: Aug 12th 2015 at 1:24:09 AM

I know some pages that could have the color markup be useful(color coded pages, some of the Power Rangers pages, but mostly the first example), but I can't think of anywhere where the strikethrough would be useful.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#15: Aug 12th 2015 at 1:47:15 AM

It better be optional to read with a toggle becaue yellow text on a white background legit hurts to look at.

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#16: Dec 23rd 2015 at 1:22:00 PM

Closing this as the original issue is resolved; if folks want to discuss a re-installation they can start a new thread.

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