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Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#176: Sep 9th 2015 at 2:25:02 PM

Nah, those are perfectly legitimate complains. Being unwilling to kill when it is right is a legit personal dislike, and suddenly being willing to kill when it's not right does not make it better, it only adds a nice heaping of hypocrisy into him.

edited 9th Sep '15 2:26:24 PM by Adannor

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#177: Sep 9th 2015 at 2:25:02 PM

Fine fine I admit its not a bad thing to show compassion, its just for some reason I possess an irrational hatred towards him right now that can't be explained. I dotn know its just i'll take any bullet I find & just fire it for some reason. Weird cause I used to like the show a couple months ago & my opinions done a complete flip-flop. Still the context is in a "Video-Game" & where talking bout npcs who can easily be re-spawned making it unnecessary.

I still stand by the fact that the 2 wont get along at least. Prolly need a mediator.

edited 9th Sep '15 2:26:37 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#178: Sep 9th 2015 at 2:29:37 PM

[up][up][up][up] Not really. They were trying to kill a girl he was somewhat friends with so he killed them to rescue her.

edited 9th Sep '15 2:29:56 PM by doineedaname

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#179: Sep 9th 2015 at 2:31:44 PM

We talking the npcs or the brainwashed players?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#180: Sep 9th 2015 at 2:33:27 PM

[up][up]It's still hypocritical to go out of his way to spare the enemies that look human while killing those that don't.

Doubly so if turns out the human-looking are NP Cs and goblin-turned are actual humans.

edited 9th Sep '15 2:33:46 PM by Adannor

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#181: Sep 9th 2015 at 2:36:26 PM

Eh, self-consistency takes work and can be psychiatrically damaging. Better to follow your instincts.

In short, Double Standards are natural. Do what's natural. And pass me the next banana already, before I start flinging poo at you.

edited 9th Sep '15 2:38:23 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#182: Sep 9th 2015 at 2:44:01 PM

Alright moving on sorta. If ya had a choice which group would ya hang out with, Kirito's group or the Ainz Ooal Gown guild. I'd join the latter in an instant.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#183: Sep 9th 2015 at 2:52:22 PM

[up][up][up][up] The brainwashed 'players' sort of. When he killed them the 'game' was a testing ground for creating A.I.s set up by the government and run by the guy who had him investigate the Death Gun rumors, he put Kirito in it to keep him alive after Death Gun's escaped partner nearly killed him. It's set up as a simulation of a 'real' world so everyone but him will eventually die from 'old age'.

He only killed their leader after he nearly killed one of the people with him, and one who thought he could get himself declared their new leader by killing him. The rest he yelled at to run away after he killed them.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#184: Sep 9th 2015 at 3:48:56 PM

^^ You mean the guild as it was before the plot actually happened, right?

edited 9th Sep '15 3:49:21 PM by Arha

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#185: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:05:51 PM

Yeah I mean hell we never even seen any of the actual guild members besides Ainz' & the Guardians reminiscing as well as those 2 anime only scenes but they all sound like an amazingly colorful bunch from just the lines of dialogues as well as their obviously awesome avatars.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
knowmenot101 Since: Dec, 2014
#186: Sep 9th 2015 at 6:04:30 PM

Apparently there's going to be a short story written by the author about how the original 9 conquered the Tomb of Nazarick. It'll be attached to the first BD volume. I hope it gets scanned and eventually translated. I really want to know more about the guildmembers since they seemed like a fun bunch.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#187: Sep 9th 2015 at 6:38:34 PM

Right?! I mean they all seemed to be such quirky & fun group of individuals to hang out with. I mean theirs gotta be a reason why Ainz grew so attached to them.

Also what does BD mean, like for the when the anime gets a disc release? Cause I wanna read that story, imagine how they became such a powerful force in the game. Though I thought they created the tomb. Very impressed that they instead conquered it.

edited 9th Sep '15 6:39:52 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#188: Sep 9th 2015 at 6:56:45 PM

He grew so attached because he had literally no one else, no meaningful job and no real skills in life. I mean, yeah, they were probably fun guys but his attachment to them was really unhealthy.

And no, they took over Nazarick, built a few new floors and said it was their new base. It was just a dungeon before that.

edited 9th Sep '15 6:57:18 PM by Arha

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#189: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:32:50 PM

Still this is a game ya prolly still have to still kill off a cool most likely raid boss before you take over. Also thats pretty sad for Ainz especially if you realize that his guild mates probably never felt the same way he did. A rather depressing thought.

Also this could give us deeper insight into the plot & characters. For example considering Sebas & Demiurge inherited their blistering hatred of each other from their creators it should be interesting to know what the hell happened between Touch-Me & Ulbert

edited 9th Sep '15 7:38:16 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
entropy13 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#190: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:40:07 PM

While Sebas and Demiurge have a specific er, "grudge", Sebas IS ideologically against almost all Nazarick denizens. The only ones he isn't are most of the maids (although among the named ones Alpha and Delta are the only ones not in the negative, it's implied that the majority of the other, minor maids are also positive - that's why she won't really be in "hostile territory"), Cocytus (who is neutral), and Victim (also neutral).

edited 9th Sep '15 7:42:02 PM by entropy13

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#191: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:47:23 PM

Still he got along with Shaltear whose just as evil & Solution whose pretty evil too so guessing he can put aside his ideology out of loyalty & friendship. It really makes his relationship with Demiurge rally tense compared to everyone else.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#192: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:48:20 PM

He's not just putting aside distaste for his allies, he actually doesn't even seem to care when he really should. But yeah, his loyalty is definitely far more important to him than his morality.

edited 9th Sep '15 7:49:39 PM by Arha

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#193: Sep 10th 2015 at 10:46:39 AM

They basically function like a traditional Japanese fiefdom...

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#194: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:25:35 PM

Kinda shows Ainz' worrying bout their betrayal is just paranoia

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#195: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:54:27 PM

Demiurge, Albedo, Sebas and Cocytus would basically never betray him and that's almost everyone that matters. That leaves, what, Shalltear, a golem that has yet to leave the fourth floor and Victim, which isn't really a fighter?

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#196: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:58:52 PM

The elves are pretty tough IIRC, but they're also crazy loyal.

Shalltear also got some personal admiration on top of regular loyalty, doesn't she?

edited 10th Sep '15 2:59:23 PM by Adannor

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#197: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:04:23 PM

I forgot the elves existed, honestly. I didn't include Shalltear because she hasn't shown herself to be a fanatic like Albedo or unable to comprehend a world without a master to serve like Demiurge. I don't think anyone would betray him, I was just noting that most of the people that matter are so obviously fanatically loyal that worrying about them is pointless.

Also, I think Shalltear just wants to screw him because she's a necrophiliac. Unlike Albedo she'd probably be unhappy if he turned back into a human. But yes, she should also be incredibly loyal considering she nearly tried to kill Sebas for accidentally suggesting Ainz' judgment might not be perfect.

edited 10th Sep '15 3:05:36 PM by Arha

Recyth Since: Dec, 2011
#198: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:06:47 PM

It's more along the lines of the future than the present. Since Volume 5 proved they aren't as static as they used to be, so even though they're loyal now, they may grow to distrust him over time. And since they're all effectively immortal, that's a lot of time to grow some eccentricities.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#199: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:10:05 PM

You mean the novel where Sebas was totally willing to kill Tsuare for no reason because Ainz said so and had to be stopped from doing it twice?

That said, I'll be happy if he gradually loses Sebas' loyalty. I think Touch Me would be absolutely horrified at what Ainz is doing.

edited 10th Sep '15 3:10:46 PM by Arha

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#200: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:14:16 PM

Again loyalty

Also I have the belief that Shaltear loves Ainz so much is not just cause shes a necrophiliac & into power but cause her creator used to be Ainz' BF back in the old days. Either Pero programmed her crush as a gesture of good-will towards his bro or because their friendship was so close it imprinted off on her like most creator traits. Its just for her it naturally turned to attraction.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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