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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1326: Jun 10th 2020 at 7:07:10 AM

[up][up]Nope, as Demiurge's treatment of the Orcs who refused to join his army in the Holy Kingdom demonstrates, Nazarick has no qualms brutalizing non-human New Worlders.

All New Worlders are more or less considered insects to them.

Compare this to the Slane Theocracy, where human supremacy is advocated and enslavement of Elves and other non-humans is rampant. Or compare them to the Demi-human nation, where humans are considered nothing but livestock.

[up]Carne Village apparently did willingly join up with the SK in the wake of Barbro's attack. Being attacked by a prince of the Re-Estize Kingdom was the last straw for the villagers.

Edited by M84 on Jun 10th 2020 at 10:10:52 PM

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1327: Jun 10th 2020 at 7:11:20 AM

That Cocytus didn't want to exterminate the Lizardmen is really more of him being an outlier from the other Floor Guardians, something few other Nazarick N Pcs also show like Albedos older sister, even when her sense of morality is also incredibly warped.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 10th 2020 at 7:14:16 AM

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Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1328: Jun 10th 2020 at 7:11:49 AM

Okay, fair. Still, that just brings them all to the low level of cattle rather than unifying with respect to all sapient beings.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1329: Jun 10th 2020 at 7:13:19 AM

[up][up]Yes, the original plan was genocide for the Lizardmen. Wipe them all out to make an undead army.

It's solely because Cocytus was moved by their courage and ingenuity in battle and Ainz being pleased with Cocytus showing character growth and initiative that the Lizardmen were spared.

Fortunately for the Lizardmen, their culture made the transition into being Ainz's vassals a fairly smooth one. They always chose their leaders based on strength, and Ainz is pretty much a Physical God.

[up]Another thing to consider is that Ainz is possessive of the SK, seeing it as an extension of Nazarick. So even though he doesn't really care about any of the citizens as people, he'll still go to frankly vicious lengths to defend or avenge them. He takes vows of protection very seriously - just look at what happened when Tuare was kidnapped after he had already promised her protection.

That's the creepiest thing about the SK - it's a terrifying place to live but it's also got plenty of appealing elements. The Eight Fingers' leadership for example have come to appreciate the undead labor the SK provides for them - but make no mistake, if they believed there was a chance to escape the SK they'd take it in a heartbeat.

And as I mentioned in the past, people in the SK only feel as secure as they are because of the controlled opposition in the form of "Momon". The people of E-Rantel think they have someone powerful on their side against Ainz. In reality of course, they have no one on their side.

Edited by M84 on Jun 10th 2020 at 10:22:58 PM

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#1330: Jun 10th 2020 at 8:51:16 AM

Technically, that was just Demiurge's thing and Ainz took the orcs away... but we don't know what happened to them after that, so there's no telling whether things got better for them. And not all the demihumans were actually part of that alliance and some of those that were weren't there willingly, meaning a lot of demihumans aren't actually that hostile towards humans. They just keep to themselves and therefore aren't as well known.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1331: Jun 10th 2020 at 9:02:11 AM

Nah, even before Demiurge rounded them all up the Demihumans of the Abelion Hills would frequently try to invade the Holy Kingdom and eat the humans. The Holy Kingdom didn't build the big-ass wall that Demiurge brought down with a meteor for nothing.

That not every Demihuman willingly joined up with Demiurge has less to do with feeling charitable towards humans and more with them not being thrilled about working for a demon.

There's also an entire country of Demi-humans next to the Dragon Kingdom that frequently invades them. Because they want to eat them.

What I'm trying to get at is that demi-humans really like eating humans. There's a reason humanity was nearly extinct prior to the Six Gods' arrival.

Edited by M84 on Jun 11th 2020 at 12:06:38 AM

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#1332: Jun 10th 2020 at 10:33:54 AM

Some demihumans would. Not all. My point is that they're not a monolith.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1333: Jun 10th 2020 at 11:30:20 AM

Politics is complicated afterall, and no nation is made of a single minded collective.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1334: Jun 10th 2020 at 12:13:10 PM

[up]The Demi-humans of the Abelion Hills aren't even a nation. They were a bunch of warring tribes that fought each other as well as trying to invade the Holy Kingdom. The one thing they all had in common was a belief that Asskicking Equals Authority.

The Beastman Country otoh is a full-blown nation that is waging a war of conquest against the Dragon Kingdom, with the intent of eating the human population.

The politics of these demi-humans are actually relatively simple - the strong call the shots. And human is the other white meat.

The demi-humans who have more nuanced views (and refrain from eating humans) are not coincidentally citizens of other nations like the Argland Council State, the City Alliance, and the SK. Though the SK only manages it by enforcing a "no eating other citizens" law by pain of Death Knight.

The point is, in the New World, humans were far from being at the top of the food chain. Lots of other races and species saw humans as easy prey. It wasn't until the Six Gods introduced Tier magic to the New World that humanity gained a fighting chance.

I mean, how do you think the Demi-Human Alliance kept their forces fed during their invasion?

Edited by M84 on Jun 11th 2020 at 3:28:50 AM

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VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#1335: Jun 19th 2020 at 4:18:38 AM

Something that makes me scratch my head, the writer said that Renner is the best ruler in the series, but all she did essentially is helped exterminated her own kingdom and basically simply became servant of Nazarick with nothing to rule over. Question is how she is the best ruler in the kingdom, if she never did much ruling and not shown to be interested in it anyway. As far as i saw all she was interested in is getting full control over Climb.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1336: Jun 19th 2020 at 4:25:09 AM

He said she has the best ability to lead. If she actually gave a shit about leading she'd be the best ruler.

It's just that she doesn't care about the Re-Estize Kingdom one bit.

Renner's a genius. Literally - she has levels in the Genius class. If she put her mind to being a ruler, she'd be even more capable than Jircniv.

Edited by M84 on Jun 19th 2020 at 7:26:37 PM

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Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1337: Jun 19th 2020 at 5:41:41 AM

She has the ability to navigate and manipulate politics to achieve anything she wants.

But all she wants out of politics is the power to be a petty spoiled asshole, which she had going perfectly well. IIRC she's basically a sociopath, "golden princess" good deeds were done to impress Climb, pretty much.

Edited by Adannor on Jun 19th 2020 at 3:45:59 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1338: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:06:49 AM

She's described by Albedo and Demiurge as a heteromorph in spirit. They consider her to be more like them than like other human beings. And considering what Albedo and Demiurge are like...

Ever since Renner rescued Climb from that alleyway, she's been focused on one thing and one thing only: keeping him chained to her (figuratively though she's also expressed a desire to physically chain him up too). The "Golden Princess" act is solely for his sake.

Word of God is that if Renner had never met Climb she'd have grown up to be a Totalitarian Utilitarian who would have made decisions through cold, mathematical logic, making the few suffer for the sake of the many.

Edited by M84 on Jun 19th 2020 at 11:11:43 PM

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
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#1340: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:46:09 AM

Well she wouldnt doom her entire Kingdok to genocide, become a disgusting monster, and gaslight her fuccboi into becoming a demon just like her.

Just dont try to scale how better.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1341: Jun 20th 2020 at 1:01:59 AM

She even managed to sort of win over Albedo and Demiurge. No easy feat for a NW human.

Too bad for her she ended up engaging in Psychological Projection with Ainz, leading her to overestimate him in the same way Jircniv did. She presumably finds Ainz both terrifying and awesome because (in her mind) he acted in the same way she did to secure her power base - engaged in cunning schemes while not showing arrogance and pretending to be an idiot. Except unlike her he is powerful enough that he could just steamroll his enemies if he wanted.

And TBF that's actually kind of true. Satoru's favorite PVP tactic back in YGGDRASIL was to let his foes "beat" him once to gather intel on their abilities so that he could curbstomp them in a rematch. This happens in the Bonus Novel when he lets Elder Coffin Dragon Lord beat him the first time to figure out the dragon's powers and to get him to lower his guard. As a result, Satoru dominated their rematch leading to the Dragon Lord's demise.

Ainz playing the starring role in her scheme to keep Climb thinking the best of her even after she killed her own father was the final "proof" in her mind that Ainz was on to her. Because why else would someone of Ainz's stature and power deign to act out the role of a jester?

Of course, the real answer is that Ainz was just following along with Albedo's ideas and falling back on his Evil Overlord roleplay.

Edited by M84 on Jun 20th 2020 at 4:05:06 PM

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#1342: Jun 20th 2020 at 1:10:06 AM

YGDRASSIL was terribly balanced right

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#1343: Jun 20th 2020 at 1:11:36 AM

MMO’s suck. [lol]

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 20th 2020 at 1:11:46 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1344: Jun 20th 2020 at 1:12:15 AM

What little we saw of it shows that it HEAVILY favored Pay-to-Win players. It was very much a game that exploited the desire for escapism in an absolutely Crapsack World to engage in predatory business practices that would make today's AAA videogame industry heads green with envy.

This is why the Nazarick guild had a rule of membership requiring everyone have a job. Because it was a given that they'd be buying cash shop items.

It probably says something about how shitty the economy is in Satoru's world that even YGGDRASIL's business model was not sustainable.

...Though now that I think about it, favoring Pay-To-Win was probably a factor in the game collapsing. It may have discouraged new players from signing up since they'd always be steamrolled by the whales. The whales meanwhile would EVENTUALLY get tired of the game as their real life responsibilities took precedence (as seen with Nazarick). So with the old big spenders leaving the game and not enough newbies coming in to spend money...

Developing and sustaining an MMO is actually really damn difficult. WOW is one of the few that has managed to survive for so long. There's a whole Youtube series called "Death of a Game" that covers a bunch of MMO's that bit the dust (it also covers various game studios that died).

Edited by M84 on Jun 20th 2020 at 4:18:31 PM

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FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1345: Jun 20th 2020 at 1:23:23 AM

[1]

Terribly balanced or hilariously balanced to where you could easily break the game in a number of ways.

Hell the main Reason Nazerick never got conquered was it was set up as a high level PVE Dungeon and the larger Clans were more skewed toward PVP.

This is an outrage against Luminara!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1346: Jun 20th 2020 at 1:25:21 AM

Nazarick was originally a PVE dungeon - the guild won the right to use it as a base after they were the first to conquer it. It was already hellishly difficult for Players to get to the end of it. Then the guild added even MORE obstacles.

Word of God is that if the entire New World tried to invade Nazarick, they'd only get to the fourth floor. They presumably would exhaust themselves just trying to take out Shaltear and her minions and deal with the traps, only to face Gargantua on the Fourth Floor.

Heck, just getting inside the Tomb would presumably involve getting past an army of undead like Death Knights, Death Warriors, and Soul Eaters and an even vaster army of Nazarick Old Guarders.

Edited by M84 on Jun 20th 2020 at 4:36:05 PM

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#1347: Jun 20th 2020 at 3:48:32 AM

The game only went under because it was old, not because it failed to make money. It lasted for ten years and was replaced by more advanced games.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1348: Jun 20th 2020 at 4:08:13 AM

Except there wasn't any news of new games or sequels to YGGDRASIL. Satoru heard no news about any such thing.

His first thoughts when he was transferred to the NW had him wondering if he was somehow in a beta version of a sequel or something.

As for it being old...think about how long WOW has survived. It's been sixteen years.

Edited by M84 on Jun 20th 2020 at 7:09:03 PM

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#1349: Jun 20th 2020 at 5:23:28 AM

Yes, but how many other MMOs have survived that long? And it's only got like a tenth of the players it had at its peak and has no notable continuations, spinoffs or sequels of any sort that I can remember.

Games come and go. YGGDRASIL was the big thing in its time, then it wound down.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#1350: Jun 20th 2020 at 5:25:24 AM

How much of that would be due to a devoted fanbase?


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