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Jun 17th 2015 at 9:34:42 AM

They already ruined all characters in my eyes

Jun 17th 2015 at 12:56:21 PM

[up][up]That's the thing: she didn't sentence Aurora to death in this version. She did in the original, but Merryweather was able to dial it back to what we ultimately got. Here? She was going to inflict what Merryweather did from the word go.

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Jun 17th 2015 at 1:01:05 PM

No, she sentenced Aurora to a Fate Worse than Death in this one. An eternal and unbreakable sleep, never to awaken. Never to live, only to die if her father found the strength to murder his own child, and the only cure a false hope that both Maleficent and Stefan knew would never arise.

She cursed Stefan to a decade and a half of desperately struggling against what he knows to be a futile hope before the inevitable crushes his soul and breaks his spirit forever, and cursed Aurora to a short life capped by an eternity of slumber until such a time that someone cares enough to pull her plug.

Remember that the "True Love's Kiss" escape clause was never supposed to be fulfilled because neither Maleficent nor Stefan actually believed in such a thing; the escape clause was added as an extra dose of f*ck you.

edited 17th Jun '15 1:05:33 PM by TobiasDrake

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Jun 17th 2015 at 1:18:20 PM

[up]Agreed. What Maleficient did here was arguably worse since it was dangling false hope before Stefan and then watch it slowly but surely crumble.

IndirectActiveTransport You Give Me Fever from Chicago Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
You Give Me Fever
Jun 17th 2015 at 5:24:25 PM

Still reduced the older story's three protagonists in favor of putting the spotlight on others who were turned either impotent or evil while sticking the antagonist in a pair of leather pants that squeezed out all of her personality.

Still, the movie had interesting CGI monsters and special effects. Disney would have been better served using my El Santo inspired pitch involving Maleficent battling Diabolic Khaos in the new millennium but I can't fault them for making a sequel.

Also, I'd love to see a movie with thirty seconds of exposition followed by a ninety minute action sequence with great choreography. That sounds really hard to do and would probably be really dumb, but I could probably enjoy it if pulled off and no one made any pretensions that it wasn't just a stupidly awesome film with an Excuse Plot\Waste of Time Story. It could be the next Snakes on a Plane.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
Ekuran Hi. from somewhere. Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Jun 17th 2015 at 8:50:30 PM

Mad Max: Fury Road is probably the closest you'll ever get to that.

[Insert seemingly profound or amusing phrase here.]
TamH70 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Jun 18th 2015 at 2:04:24 PM

[up]Yup. And it is GLORIOUS. Fury Road is basically George Miller saying to all other Hollywood action movie directors, "This is how it should be done."

Jun 18th 2015 at 6:08:45 PM

[up]On top of those delicious practical effects, you have no idea how relieved I was to find out that the narrative planted by Eve Ensler was unfounded and on no level is Fury Road about smashing the Patriarchy.

edited 18th Jun '15 6:09:20 PM by ElkhornTheDowntrodden

IndirectActiveTransport You Give Me Fever from Chicago Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
You Give Me Fever
Jun 18th 2015 at 6:22:43 PM

Thinking it over, it could still be done.

After the release of the Maleficent movie, MsChif organizes a gathering in Inferno for the purpose of mocking it. The laughter causes Maleficent to awaken and rampage across Inferno for being stingy when she called upon all the powers of hell, but upon seeing the film, redirects her wrath toward Disney. Realizing at least one of her friends is at Disney World, MsChif grabs Delirious and chases after Maleficent.

I have a script to write.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
higherbrainpattern I am one with the Force and the Force is with me from Parts Unknown Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Jun 18th 2015 at 7:56:19 PM

[up][up] Actually, the movie had a great feminist message. But yeah, we get it, you hate feminism.

Minutes away but miles apart.
unnoun Everybody's Aunt Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Everybody's Aunt
Jun 18th 2015 at 8:21:34 PM

It's all about colonialism and imperialism.

All about white male hegemony, and the way a dominant group uses power to hurt a minority group; the way powerful men are able to hurt women.

The way that's really fucked up and worth fighting against.

And in telling that story it has an enormous cast of women with their own stories and agency and it takes them seriously without objectifying them.

"unnoun" has three "n"s and zero capital letters!
IndirectActiveTransport You Give Me Fever from Chicago Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
You Give Me Fever
Jun 18th 2015 at 10:06:19 PM

Oh, that movie again. I didn't like it, but whatever.

I remember someone talking about how the movie showed the evils of hyper masculinity and I didn't buy it, because I don't consider fanaticism and a cult of personality synonymous or even especially related to masculinity. In fact, I was kind of insulted, as someone who kinda sorta doesn't hate men.

The way you explained it's feminist message here actually does make sense though, if people mean in that context, yes it does have a pretty strong female empowerment message. Feminist means equal treatment as possible as I understand it, so the movie itself still wasn't, as all the antagonists were men. That in of itself isn't bad in my book but I didn't like it, didn't hate it but the obviously sped up camera scenes turned me off, as did the cheap Norse mythology and even if I did like it, still wasn't quite a 90 minute action scene of a movie.

My own script won't be like that, since I'm going for 'pro wrestlers fight evil B-Movie', which I'd also like to see more of, but It'd at least be interesting to see someone seriously pull it off.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
Jun 18th 2015 at 10:31:20 PM

No it doesn't. A movie which takes a story which was already full of great female characters and ruins them all while depowering the mistress of all evil is not and will never be feminist

IndirectActiveTransport You Give Me Fever from Chicago Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
You Give Me Fever
Jun 18th 2015 at 11:29:07 PM

We were talking about Mad Max: Fury Road having a female empowerment message(which is not synonymous with feminist, but I touched on that too).

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
unnoun Everybody's Aunt Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Everybody's Aunt
Jun 19th 2015 at 5:56:37 AM

You didn't touch on anything especially well, but it's off topic anyway, so whatever.

edited 19th Jun '15 5:56:58 AM by unnoun

"unnoun" has three "n"s and zero capital letters!
Jun 19th 2015 at 7:09:50 AM

takes a story which was already full of great female characters and ruins them all

That's the most galling thing to me, after the Maleficent whitewashing. Flora, Fauna and Merryweather were for all practical purposes the heroes of the original. How often do you see old ladies being heroes in their own right? So naturally, they were shit all over to make Jolie look better.

At least they inexplicably changed their names on top of it all, so I can distance them from the original versions more easily.

Demetrios Makes Everything 20% Cooler from Wheeling, Illinois Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Makes Everything 20% Cooler
Jun 19th 2015 at 6:29:25 PM Wishing I was where the sunlight is: Florida or South Africa
Jun 19th 2015 at 7:17:40 PM

It's possible the name doesn't mean the same thing to fairies as to humans.

CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Apr 20th 2018 at 12:48:19 AM

It's a fine fun little vehicle for Angelina Jolie to play an extremely popular female villainess.

I don't mind fractured fairy tales.

Even fractured Disney Tales, which is 90% of Once Upon A Time.

But this is kind of an odd movie to make a sequel to. Still, unnecessary sequels with Angelina Jolie are unnecessary sequels with Angelina Jolie. Maybe they can have her fight Cruella Deville.

(sees post above)

Okay, nevermind.

Author of The Supervillainy Saga, Cthulhu Armageddon, The United States of Monsters, and Lucifer's Star.
dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Apr 23rd 2018 at 5:28:15 PM

I absolutely hated the first one. The part that really lost my goodwill was making the fairies, who were pretty much the real heroes of the animated film, into incompetent and harmful characters.

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Apr 23rd 2018 at 7:12:00 PM

That was my problem but for different reasons.

The movie was being hailed as a feminist update....except it already had three feminist leads.

Author of The Supervillainy Saga, Cthulhu Armageddon, The United States of Monsters, and Lucifer's Star.
Apr 23rd 2018 at 10:00:50 PM

Okay, I discovered there's another thread for the Maleficent film, here.

Which should we use? The other one hasn't been posted in since 2015.

edited 23rd Apr '18 10:01:13 PM by jameygamer


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