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That's the downside of auteur television. At least the financial disaster called The Get Down ended with essentially a proper (if ultimately bittersweet) finale. The Wachowskis were probably planning for 5 seasons House of Cards style not drawing House of Cards numbers. By one of the actors own admission, their ratings to cost ratio sucked. So I blame the show, not Netflix.

I blame Netflix. Because after they saw the cost/viewer ratio of the first season, they could have said "okay, this doesn't work, we give you one season to wrap it up". Instead they spend money on a Christmas/New Years special and left the show running into an open end.

Actually, someone on twitter (I believe it was a producer) confirmed that Season 3 would be the last if it got renewed. Specifically because of the budget it would be.

I would like to point out that Netflix didn't market the show at all. They failed to do anything to try and draw in new numbers. I don't give two fucks if the show is 'hard to market', that's no excuse for having no marketing at all and then cancelling because the marketing that didn't exist failed.

I barely even knew Season 2 had come out. No one was talking about it. No marketing or ads or You Tube advertising had come up.

I mean I found out in this thread sure but I didn't know what The Get Down or House of Cards were until they showed up in my "Because you watched..." list.

Depressing to learn that this was cancelled.

There will be a 2 hour special episode.

They can't possibly wrap everything up. Its a nice gesture, but it will never do the show justice.

My reaction was pretty much "Gosh, that is going to be a buzy two hours" Still better than just leaving things, because the season finale really, really was not appropriate for a being a series end.

edited 29th Jun '17 10:35:11 PM by Izeinsummer

They don't need to wrap up everything, but some sort of proper conclusion would be better than what they have now.

I suppose it's what you want to get out of it.

No Ending is probably worse on Netflix's record and stings more, but a fandom can at least make a suitable ending for themselves and we've seen it done before.

A half-assed ending that could in no way be satisfying because of the immense number of storylines needed to be completed probably looks better for Netflix's reputation, but its just asking for a Broken Base.

I'm an all or nothing guy. If you're going to do something, do it proper and complete and don't half ass it. If you half-ass it, I'd rather it not be done at all and I can at least have my imagination to fill in the hole left in the first place.

Honestly as good as the Christmas special was it was also not supposed to wrap up the show. I don't think a two hour special can do the show justice and would rather have had the show stay cancelled if we're not getting a third season.

It's good to hear that's it's getting a final special to give the show some closure. Most of the cast are is the same location so it should be certainly doable to have some kind of grand finale against BPO.

I'm sure if there's still enough interest in the series after that it might get picked up as a comic book series by someone.

Happy F'cking New Year.

I now understand why it is called that. Also, this went from New Years celebrations to an orgy to Wolfgang reuniting with his friend to Christmas to WHISPERS. Will is suffering a terrible fate. Sun and Wolfgang continue to be the best characters and the most competent Sensates. Lito and Wolfgang's interactions are the funnest to see and they're my favorite Sensate pair, right next to Capheus and Sun (the entire exchange when he tells his friend about Sun being a spirit, and his reaction to Sun beating the three assassins to a pulp).

so this is a thing

(Not porn, despite the page)

I have no words...

As long as we get more of Sense 8, does it matter if porn money paid for it?

Eh. I don't know how I feel about it. I want Sense 8 Season 3, but I have high doubts a pornsite would be able to pull it off and even more doubts that it could make the transfer without a serious drop in quality or becoming... more sexualized. I mean, I thought it was odd that Season 2 had next to no sex scenes (I can only think of Caph having one and that's it), but I'd be worried that even MORE sex might happen.

Not to mention that porn is usually a death sentence for names involved. I don't think this would work.

If they just provide the money and let the Wachowskis go nuts then what's the problem?

If they just want to produce it to advance some sort of agenda (which is probably what they are doing) then fuck you xHamster.

Because, with the show running at $10-$12 mil an episode for 10 episodes, I raise an eyebrow at someone just handing them the money.

Not to mention that budget figure is bound to go up with the whole 'Netflix owns the rights' and 'Sense 8 might cost more for whatever big thing they plan to end the series on'.

Well, they wrapped it up….

I'll be totally honest here: I have zero idea what was actually going on in the show regarding the conspiracy or whatever it was they were fighting against. I liked the individual stories, especially when they explored cultural differences and social problems, but I never got into the whole action whatever stuff. And in the end, the show became basically wish fulfilment to an off-putting degree.

At the end of the day a great idea which got utterly wasted. It could have been better executed with less money to be frank.

Well, the conspiracy isn't what made it expensive. It was filming everything on location with production companies from their respective countries. That's what ultimately bloated the production costs.

Personally, I liked the cultural dramas too. How Wolfgang was very promiscuous and open about sex while Kala is not nearly as comfortable with it. It created nice contrasts and I loved it. The conspiracy was probably the weakest part which I think is why Will and Riley; the two most overtly involved in the conspiracy drama, are probably the weakest characters and not the ones most people cite as their favorite. Even when Nomi was heavily involved in the A-Plot, I still remember her being supportive in other plots like Lido's towards the end of Season 1, so I had a better feel for her outside of her own bubble.

Meanwhile, I don't remember Will having any similar scenes where he was supportive of Kala, maybe exploring how he feels about sexuality with Lido, or in conflict with the otherwise lawless Wolfgang. Season 2 started dipping its toes in 'What happens with conflict within a cluster?' but its something I would have liked to explore a bit more. Everyone basically gets a long the second they start communicating, with the major conflict being 'OH MY GOD, HOW AM I TALKING TO SOMEONE IN GERMANY?!' rather than personal differences like sexuality, legality, drugs, or other things.

edited 8th Jun '18 4:52:02 PM by InkDagger

I actually liked Riley, but what I liked about her was her backstory about her losing a child. Her hooking up with Will made her a weaker character, because Will was easily the most boring of the bunch by a long shot. And honestly, I am not sure what he brought to the table what wasn't already covered by Nomi and Wolfgang.

I am also still puzzled about the story they build around Wolfgang, mostly because I am not sure if I should be pleased that there was nothing Nazi-related thrown in, or p... that the to go portrayal for a German is still some form of criminal. Still he was a compelling character, partly because he was well-acted, partly because his dynamic with Kalla was easily the most interesting, since they were so completely different from each other.

That's fair. Though, I suppose they all play into their own level of surface level stereotypes (Evil German, Sexually Inexperienced Asian Woman, Whitebred All-American Chicago Cop, Over Dramatic Mexican Actor, Asian Woman who does Martial Arts, etc.) but the show digs a bit deeper into those stereotypes, what they mean to the characters, and give them depth.

Kala desperately wants to not be afraid of sex and intimacy with her husband, but doesn't quite understand her feelings and especially when pulled between two different cultures.

Sun did Martial Arts to impress her father and ended up learning inner strength to repress her strength of will in a society that would not let her be the leader of the family.

And so on.

I never really felt like Will's 'stereotype' was ever examined with any level of criticism, depth, or intrigue. He's a Chicago Cop and that's all you really need to know. He's the one trying to put the pieces of the conspiracy together while everyone else is solving their own plots.

I also never felt like the sexuality angle was explored as much. Word of God says that they're all pansexual and they have the Sensate orgies, but outside of those specific experiences, NONE of the characters ever act outside of their originally determined sexualities. I think it could have been interesting had, instead of Lila, Wolfgang met a dude (Lilio? Liberato?) and they were getting it on instead. And the plotline would have played the same otherwise.

It just felt kind of... Informed Attribute that they were pansexual at times when the same-sex content kind of fell to the wayside by Season 2. Maybe the Finale will change my mind but we have enough plotlines without sex being involved.

I found the way the sex was portrayed a little bit off-putting to be honest, not because I had a problem with it in itself, but because to get there they just ignored various consent issues. Ie Kala is a virgin and she is suddenly thrown into a sex scene without any consent. I would have preferred it if the members of the group had the option to watch instead of being just forced in. And speaking of watching, while I maybe enjoyed the south-American group the most, it is still somewhat problematic when someone films two other persons having sex without their consent. That's not a small matter at all.

I had questions about the consent thing too.

What Daniella did to Lido and Hernando was kind of creepy and I still can't quite get over how, if it had been a straight man and lesbain women, this would be a MASSIVE problem. But, because Daniella is a girl and she's cute and friendly, she kind of gets away with it a bit?

As for Kala... I had that question too. My only logical answer for this is that the pansexual orgies are merely a visual representation for the feelings and experiences rather than a... psycological one? Word trouble here. But that I would assume the ones who aren't actually having sex with someone (like Lido was having sex with his boyfriend) might be masturbating so anything Kala is doing would probably just be considered some form of masturbation rather than sex-sex?

I still question the value of consent here though. I mean, yes, having your best friends on call at all times to help guide you and etc would be great, but some people do value privacy or are uncomfortable with sex. I think I've raised the question here before, but what about someone for whom sex does not interest them or, worse, sex is triggering to them due to some past of sexual abuse? Are they able to close themselves off for a time while everyone is getting it on? Are they maybe forced into it? Is there maybe a level of 'But if its you its ok' to handwave it?

This kind of swings back to my questions about Will and Wolfgang. Wolfgang does a lot of illegal things such as most obviously murdering a shiton of guys in Germany. Will is a Golden Boy Cop who doesn't like doing things outside the law. Wouldn't these two logically have some tension? Or at least have an interesting dynamic we could explore?

While I apprecieate the 'Your cluster loves you unconditionally' I do think we need to build that a bit rather than just treat it as an immutable fact all the time.

It also doesn't fit with how the other clusters were portrayed...as I said, I honestly felt lost with this plot pretty early on and at one point I just rolled with it in order to get to the parts I actually cared about, but weren't there cases of betrayal in other clusters?

I also found the way romance was portrayed in the show pretty unrealistic. Okay, I could roll with the devotion of Kala's husband, because it was at the very least a departure from how those kind of stories are usually handled, but the whole devotion of the police officer was waaaaay over the top. And then NONE of them had any problem with the notion that they would share their partner with eight other people?

The key word is 'Other' people. There is no 'other' within a cluster. As far as I understand, as long as the person in question can justify their action to themselves there is no conflict because at the same time they justify it to cluster-mates. Cluster-mates just give more perspective to their actions in context of their own life experience and beliefs.

As for the cluster-fucks , I see it as intense daydreaming. It all gets muddy when a mind-link is involved.

Edit: Or look at this like this - cluster-mates see you only like you see yourself. There is no raw video or audio, all they get is filtered through you and carrying the baggage of your emotions. Imagine the quote "It is nearly impossible to hate anyone whose story you know" squared. You don't just know their story, you also experience it from their perspective.

edited 10th Jun '18 1:14:24 AM by googlebot