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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#51: Aug 14th 2015 at 10:27:00 AM

"Sleeves that are barely attached to a dress" and "Indecent shoulder exposure" are not the same thing, even if they share superficial elements.

Tropes have meaning; a convention is a shorthand that explains something to the audience faster than a detailed essay. Personal Appearance Tropes tend to be stocked with the superficial details instead of the implied meaning behind them. This is why many are being purged.

edited 14th Aug '15 10:28:04 AM by crazysamaritan

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Rjinswand Since: Apr, 2015
#52: Aug 14th 2015 at 11:06:48 AM

@49: Yeah, maybe. Your reasoning has logic to it. I'm just throwing that out, to see whether anything could be salvaged.

@50 & 51: I think a "Show Some Shoulder" trope (in the vein of Show Some Leg and Zettai Ryouiki) could probably work.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#53: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:28:54 PM

Can we stop cutting tropes willy nilly?

Like, I'm mainly complaining here because this will be the second time this month that a Trope Pantheons ascension prospect will be canned because their trope was cut. You're basically ruining fun for quite a few people on the wiki (myself included), and making it feel that they wasted time working on a profile entry just for the trope they're being ascended for to be cut.

It says "What would be the best way to fix the page?" not "Let's cut the trope because why not?"

Figure out a way to fix it instead of cutting it. Seriously people, it's not that hard. It's a Costume Tropes, most of them have Zero Content Examples because they're mainly for describing clothing.

edited 25th Aug '15 11:35:25 PM by BlackSunNocturne

mariovsonic999 Since: Feb, 2012
#54: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:36:16 PM

Seriously, what is this, "Remove all the tropes" month? Why are people wanting to remove a trope rather than, oh I don't know, fixing it in the first place.

You guys are being too trigger-happy. Removing a trope based on clothings.

edited 25th Aug '15 11:40:12 PM by mariovsonic999

rin14100 Darkness' old friend from The Guatemala City Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#55: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:43:29 PM

You guys are being super dickish about this, find a solution that will fix the problem, not have people angry at you, it's not rocket science

edited 25th Aug '15 11:48:14 PM by rin14100

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andykhang Since: Mar, 2015
#56: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:45:36 PM

read here

with this definition used in this site, i think this need to stay.

mariovsonic999 Since: Feb, 2012
#57: Aug 25th 2015 at 11:57:18 PM

Also, does anyone even look at the Usage count because clearly, it is used for many character pages.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#58: Aug 26th 2015 at 12:54:02 AM

This page is being cut because it's not a trope. A piece of clothing is not by default a trope, and the arguments forthcoming have not been convincing - and the fix for things of no tropability is cutting. Please also take note that being widely used often indicates widespread incorrect usage.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#59: Aug 26th 2015 at 1:46:28 AM

The Pantheon is also Just for Fun and should not have any bearing on wiki policy. If you guys want to avoid having to delete stuff you just wrote up, maybe scrutinize your process so things like this don't get deities.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#60: Aug 26th 2015 at 1:51:56 AM

[up][up]Let's not use misleading arguments when there are better ones. Widespread use doesn't indicate anything other than that tropers edit it in in a lot of pages. Says absolutely nothing about how correct it is or isn't.

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rin14100 Darkness' old friend from The Guatemala City Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#61: Aug 26th 2015 at 2:00:06 AM

edited 26th Aug '15 2:00:44 AM by rin14100

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#62: Aug 26th 2015 at 6:08:26 AM

I really wish I was good at argument and reason because I truly believe that this trope is worthy. I mean, it's a costume trope, there's plenty example of it.

Also, Going by this, Detached Sleeves would still be a trope. Or I'm reading it wrong.

edited 26th Aug '15 6:20:48 AM by WhirlRX

phoenix Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#63: Aug 26th 2015 at 6:53:24 AM

[up] Just because something is common doesn't mean it's a trope. It needs to have some sort of meaning. If Detached Sleeves were commonly used to indicate a character archetype or had some sort of symbolism or something, that would be a trope. Otherwise, it's just a thing that happens often.

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#64: Aug 26th 2015 at 7:19:42 AM

Having a lot of examples doesn't make a page a "trope". If People Sit On Chairs was a trope, there's going to be a lot of examples, too.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#65: Aug 26th 2015 at 8:07:59 AM

The page is being cut. The pantheon has no bearing on our decisions.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#66: Aug 26th 2015 at 12:30:53 PM

So why don't we just cutlist every single clothing trope since that's clearly what you're attempting to do?

Please, educate me on what makes a trope decided to get cut because I'm honestly incredibly confused and very annoyed.

edited 26th Aug '15 12:32:22 PM by BlackSunNocturne

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#67: Aug 26th 2015 at 12:37:37 PM

You know, you sound a lot more reasonable if you ask for the procedure straigthaway instead of first offering up a strawman.

The discussion is here.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#68: Sep 8th 2015 at 5:37:08 AM

Checked wick count, and it should be manageable.

On the other hand, there are 500+ inbounds. This may pose a problem if we are to cut this.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#69: Sep 8th 2015 at 5:58:32 AM

Just clear the wicks. We'll manage the inbounds.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#70: Sep 8th 2015 at 6:07:43 AM

[up] Gotcha. Will start once I get the chance.

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#71: Sep 12th 2015 at 9:39:40 AM

Looks like the de-wicking is complete. There's only two wicks left: one's a redirect, the other is a ghost wick that I added to the cutlist.

All we have left to take care of are the inbounds, and then this trope's set to cut.

edited 12th Sep '15 9:40:13 AM by Berrenta

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#72: Sep 12th 2015 at 9:44:29 AM

It's gone. Good work. This is over.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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