Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

So Kingpin was in Hawkeye because Echo is a prominent Daredevil character, correct?

Yup.

Hearing a lot of gossip about the production hell this one went through, one former employee over at the Gallifrey Base forums described what went wrong as this:

Different directors, for one thing. Different writers (aside from Phil Lord). A studio that wouldn't know a good story if it introduced itself as Good Story, Esq

Edited by Zarius on Apr 6th 2023 at 11:41:25 AM

That last one in particular is... worrying.

Not surprised about the production hell. I remember in the weeks following Into the Spider-Verse, the long-term plan was described as making movies that would each focus on a different character's universe. We got Miles in the first one. Gwen's universe would be the centerpiece for the next big Spider-Verse crossover jam.

Watching the trailer, this movie is... decidedly not that. Don't get me wrong, it looks fantastic. But it's not what was described when they were laying out their plans for the brand.

Obviously, some things changed during production.

Although based on interviews this does have a lot of Gwen in it. We also do see more of her world from the trailers. So it seems a vestige of that wound up here.

Makes sense she's potentially the love interest.

they wont try to kill her off,right?

Are these rumors particularly valid? I feel suspicious.

if the rumors come from Gallifrey Base forums which if its anything like the Outpost Gallifrey forums then I'm going towards a solid no

Probably not, they do also want to make a Spider-Women spin-off if they can

X6: I recall the plans were specifically about making a women-centric Spider-Verse spin-off, and some eagerness to do something with Spider-Ham.

Also I think people underestimate how the first film had its own production qualms, resulting in its third act having to be retooled because Lord & Miller's changing nature.

I don't know much about either of those places but experience has told me that almost every time it's some "leak" or "former crew member" on any number of websites posting about working on something and X or Y happening, it's usually not true. There's not that many exceptions I can recall.

Edited by Diana1969 on Apr 6th 2023 at 6:46:54 AM

x7 There's no random Green Goblin who wants to ush her off something tall.

There's even a whole alternate cut of the movie on the blue-ray and digital that differs significantly from the final version. I believe a big part of why it was retooled, was because of Spider-Man homecoming borrowing so much from Miles.

Edited by megaeliz on Apr 6th 2023 at 11:43:32 AM

Lord and Miller's modus operandi is usually to find the movie in the edit, and they're often fond of throwing a bunch of weird stuff at the wall just to see what sticks and what doesn't. So their movies tend to feel very spontaneous and full of abrupt shifts in tone. But what helps that succeed in spite of all those swerves is the solid character arc foundation underneath. So as long as the skeleton is secure, their films can get away with changing a lot all the time.

Lord and Miller and pretty good about taking the movie ideas that might not seem like they could work, and somehow manage to make them work. The Lego Movie especially, since a lot of people like that movie's storytelling and character, even though the Lego brand is known for stuff like that in the first place.

People really need to accept that story plans can change without it being a total production mess. The first draft of a movie being significantly different from the final product is nothing particulary unusual.

Really if the movie has any problems you should be concerned about, its potentially being too big.

Like the movie's big thing is bringing in as many spiders as they can and well all know the saying too much of a good thing. Hell even in the first movie Ham, Noir, and Penny weren't exactly necessary to the story but they get enough screentime to show off their personalities. Is gonna be a bit harder here with so many new spiders.

Huh now that I think about it, beyond Jessica being Miguel's apparent second in command I can't notice any other spider who appears relevant in a significant capacity. Its funny cause I know Spider-Punk is supposed to have a notable role in the film but I have not noticed him in any of the trailers.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 6th 2023 at 11:35:16 AM