Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

I mean, there are rumors going around that Holland is going to cameo in the movie at some point. But I guess that's always going to fly around.

I kind of like how we didn't get a ton of new info in this trailer. I am questioning who that Peter was that Gwen was hugging. I assume it's her verse's SM?

That would be odd, because the first film confirmed her origin is similar to her comics - her Peter became the Lizard and died in the process.

So Miles against the Multiverse? Mainly 2099?

Council of Kangs and Incursions have entered the chat

Edited by fanman on Apr 4th 2023 at 10:53:24 AM

Looks like Miguel has some sort of beef with Miles from the start? Strange.

Yeah, one of the breakdown videos I saw did mention that. Maybe they decided to change it? Or maybe it's a completely different one entirely?

Edited by Arctimon on Apr 4th 2023 at 2:08:29 PM

(x5) It's presumably her universe's Peter, who never became Spider-Man. She inadvertently killed him when he went on a rampage as the Lizard, not realizing it was Peter until it was too late. In the comics, he remained conscious long enough for them to have one last brief talk, so I assume that's what we're seeing in that shot.

Spot was my favorite part of the trailer. Based on the previews I expected him to be a serious and threatening villain from the start, but he looks more like a comical wannabe-supervillain, I love it

Edited by good-morning on Apr 4th 2023 at 3:22:25 PM

x5 Kang has an irl incursion to worry about lest he get recast.

Once again the MCU Earth-Designation is inconsistent.

I thought it was always Earth-199999.

This movie is the first thing to ever say the designation with the bunch of nines. Up until this point that was just a random tidbit they'd put in guidebooks.

Every MCU property insists it takes place on Earth-616.

I didn't notice this initally, but it was pointed out that Mayday's finalized design differs from her official concept art revealed by Sony Animation a while ago. Namely she's no longer has heterochromia, and seem to have ditched MJ's red hair for Parker's brown. Esstentially, she's seemingly Truer to the Text.

Also, Nilah Magruder, who's one of the writers attached to Spider-Byte, shares their appreciation for seeing the character fully realized, along with a little bit of background.

I think this may have already been mentioned or maybe on the MCU's forum, but in DC, any Earth who discovers the multiverse instantly labels themselves Earth-1. So it may be the case here, though why the go-to number is such a high and arbitrary number like 616 is just suspension of disbelief.

yeah clealry it should be Earth 216 or Earth 666 instead

IIRC the number comes from Captain Britain comics, which feature a sort of multiversal watchdog organization that assigns the numbers. To them, the “main” reality isn’t any more meaningful than any other.

Its funny how all the iconic and signature multiverse elements can be traced to Captain Britain by Alan Moore

Hell the organization of alternates patrolling the multiverse started with them

If the multiverse is actively created by branching timelines then any kind of integer numbering system sounds extremely inadequate. Simply developing that system will lead to branches of the same universe calling themselves different arbitrary numbers. :P

There's a possible future of both Earth-1610 (Miles's Earth) and Earth-65 (Gwen's Earth) where they get married and have kids. That Earth's designation is Earth-8.

Its funny to think by virtue of limitless realities, there's also has to be a world where she marries 616 Peter or the Harry Osborn or Mary Jane of her home world

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 5th 2023 at 6:59:12 AM

How did last Spider-Man movie used Kingpin anyway? Wasn't he considered Daredevil villain when they made Spectacular thus out of their rights?

Presumably, Sony was able to cut a deal with Marvel to be allowed to use Kingpin in Into the Spider-Verse (akin to how Marvel and Fox did the Negasonic Teenage Warhead/Ego the Living Planet swap for Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2), as opposed to the crew of Spectacular, who likely would have needed to come to an agreement with both Marvel and Fox (thanks to Fox still holding the Daredevil rights at the time).

Edited by TrashJack on Apr 6th 2023 at 7:55:16 AM

You know it feels like most heroes outside of the most recognizable ones really lack proper Rogues Gallery. But that's not the problem, right? That's the point of a shared universe, they're free to fight Taskmaster, Skrulls, or Mr Hyde instead of having to make their own baddies.

And then you have stuff like getting rights to hero gets you rights to bajillion high profile characters.

Really makes one wonder if there is a very strict list somewhere out there that specifies for every villain to whose gallery they belong to or do lawyers walk in with stacks of comics and argue between each other like it's a message board if Ego is Thor or Fantastic Four villain.

The deal with Kingpin is actually with Sony's favor.

Their deal states that Kingpin was shared with (then) Fox for the Daredevil franchise, but he was considered a Spider-Man character first and foremost. This means that Marvel/Disney can only use Kingpin if Daredevil or any supporting character of his is involved in a major way in the story they are telling. Meanwhile, Sony can freely use him as however they want.

So let's say that Marvel wants to use Kingpin for the next Moon Knignt season. This means that they have to include a Daredevil character in a big role so they can justify using him.

On the other hand, if Sony wants to use Kingpin in Venom, El Muerto or Hypno-Hustler, they can do so without the need of Spider-Man to show up.

I recall Kingpin being legally considered a DareDevil character first and foremost.

That was the reason for Tombstone being used in the Spectacular Spider-Man series over Kingpin. Tombstone, in the series, is basically a reskinned Fisk as it is. They had to do it that way because the TV rights for DareDevil were being by Fox, and Kingpin was packaged in those rights rather than Spidey's.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 6th 2023 at 9:26:57 AM