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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#2726: Apr 10th 2025 at 10:22:39 AM

So pre overhaul would be court case by the week meaning Kristie and Cherry would have more to do in the plot.

Just Makima.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#2727: Apr 10th 2025 at 10:29:57 AM

To be fair, we've seen six out of the 18 episodes they planned, so it wasn't as much legal as it sounded.

Muse and the Bank episodes weren't legal related.

I'd also say the 1st and latest episode gave them more characterization than the pre-retool.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 10th 2025 at 10:30:24 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#2728: Apr 10th 2025 at 3:06:13 PM

Something I love is we finally have true blue arche nemesis relationships in the MCU.

There is so much hate that can be felt between Matt, Fisk, and Bullseye and it's something I don't think we've ever gotten in the MCU much since villains keep being killed off.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#2730: Apr 10th 2025 at 3:25:45 PM

You'd think Hawkeye vs Bullseye would be made as a story, even if it's just a couple issues.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#2731: Apr 10th 2025 at 3:28:47 PM

On the one hand, a Hawkeye vs. Bullseye story would be awesome, and I'd love to see Clint and/or Kate combat Dex's marksmanship skills.

On the other hand, I'm certain it would lead to a lot of complaints that the Hawkeyes only ever fight Daredevil's leftover bad guys.

Though unlike Fisk, Bullseye doesn't seem to have any legal issues surrounding him, so he could appear in any of the movies if Marvel wants. Hell, he'd probably fit right in with Thunderbolts.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#2732: Apr 10th 2025 at 3:31:05 PM

The Thunderbolts made of people who are bad but not evil and want to be heroes?

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#2733: Apr 10th 2025 at 3:33:19 PM

Hey, I didn't say he'd be part of the team...

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#2734: Apr 10th 2025 at 3:34:50 PM

Hawkeye has fought Bullseye in the comics before.

Hawkeye won.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2735: Apr 10th 2025 at 3:52:31 PM

That makes sense. They've both been around too long for it to not happen.

But damn, that must have been a rough fight for Clint. Hawkeye is good, but he's bows and maybe hand to hand.

Bulleye's can literally throw anything at Clint with deadly force and accuracy. So Clint would be reach for an arrows and suddenly gets his bow string cut by....I don't know? What's the least lethal thing you could throw at someone? Cause I bet that's exactly what Bullseye would throw.

....I gotta find where this fight happened now. To Google!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#2737: Apr 10th 2025 at 4:09:16 PM

It's a shame Marvel doesn't do animated adaptations of direct comic stories.

Cause a movie adapting Hawkeye: Freefall would be pretty fun especially seeing Clint dress up as Bullseye and Bullseye dress up as Ronin.

[up] He would definitely try that at least once.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 10th 2025 at 4:09:38 AM

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#2738: Apr 10th 2025 at 4:11:49 PM

[up][up] "It was hard. It was really hard."

Edited by TTFan on Apr 10th 2025 at 4:12:29 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#2739: Apr 10th 2025 at 4:14:37 PM

Can bullseye kill people by kicking things at them? I was pondering during the episode seeing him in his restraints.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#2740: Apr 10th 2025 at 4:15:43 PM

Bullseye has also been a member of the Thunderbolts and during his tenure on the Dark Avengers he dressed up as Hawkeye.

He was also the one who murdered Sentry's wife under orders from Osborn and the Void to basically kill the Bob personality.

So Bullseye gets around a lot.

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#2741: Apr 10th 2025 at 4:28:02 PM

He is the homicidal psycho on the payroll for when you want less power than Carnage. Of course, he tends to leave a big body count, so his use has limits.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#2742: Apr 10th 2025 at 4:38:21 PM

And yet in the MCU the only person in the position to hire evil, Fisk, wouldn't touch Bullseye unless he had a death wish.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#2743: Apr 10th 2025 at 5:01:46 PM

[up][up][up] Whoa. That's nuts. And to think there's potential for that to happen in the MCU too...

Also, apparently Bullseye is best buddies with Deadpool in the comics? Guess they bonded over creative ways of killing people.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#2744: Apr 10th 2025 at 5:13:55 PM

Fitting Daredevil's place as a premium a-class backbone part of the Marvel Universe, his universe characters are just as premium as him.

While he doesn't have a rogues gallery as big as say Batman, characters like Kingpin, Bullseye, and Elektra have evolved into equally popular characters well known for their remarkable malleability into the MU.

Kingpin was once the main antagonist of a Black Panther run, and Bullseye was a primary fixture of the Dark Reign era of Norman Osborn's Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers including some memorable moments like the aforementioned murder of Sentry's wife and getting into a very bizarre romance with Wolverine's maniac son Daken.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#2745: Apr 10th 2025 at 5:26:27 PM

Speaking of Elektra...do we know what the hell happened to her after the events of The Defenders?

Obviously we had her variant from Deadpool & Wolverine show up, but that's not the same woman...

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#2746: Apr 10th 2025 at 5:31:23 PM

Daredevil has a decently sized rogues gallery, just a lot of them arent iconic or recognizable. Kingpin is the big one and he didnt even start as a Daredevil villain. Bullseye is certainly known. Muse is just a relatively recent addition. Leapfrog is more made fun of than being legitimately dangerous which facilitates Daredevil in She-Hulk, but Im a bit sad we never got shown how dangerous Leapfrog could be. We know the Hand but thats an org.

The Owl is missing from the MCU and I dont know about that since we kinda already have Bulleyes and Muse being complete psychos.

If I had to top 5 superhero rogues galleries, it'd be Batman>Spiderman>Superman>Xmen>TMNT

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Apr 10th 2025 at 5:31:59 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#2747: Apr 10th 2025 at 5:33:51 PM

Leland Owsley was in the Netflix show and killed by Fisk. There were plans to introduce his son but they never came about.

Typhoid Mary was also done in Iron Fist.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 10th 2025 at 5:34:34 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#2748: Apr 10th 2025 at 5:35:15 PM

Technically the owl was in season 1, but he was pretty much Just a Guy.

Ikari was a great villain, even if he only lasted an arc or two.

Lady Bullseye is also pretty good.

Edited by ArthurEld on Apr 10th 2025 at 5:36:06 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#2749: Apr 10th 2025 at 5:37:17 PM

We also almost got Melvin Potter to become Gladiator in a potential Season 4, but it looks like those plans were abandoned. A shame, because I actually liked Melvin, and I'm disappointed we haven't found out what happened to him after he got arrested by the FBI.

Also, I just realized something silly.

What's the best way to describe a Daredevil vs. Bullseye fight? Red vs. Blue!

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#2750: Apr 10th 2025 at 5:45:08 PM

I'd love to see Mister Fear brought over, he was a pretty significant antagonist of the Brubaker DD era.

There's also Nuke who hasn't been fully done yet. I say fully because he was in Jessica Jones season 1 but they killed him off before he truly becomes Nuke. Which would be pretty easy ignore to just reintroduce an already there Nuke.

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