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Sep 11th 2019 at 7:43:11 PM

I’d prefer if we didn’t have either.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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Sep 11th 2019 at 8:02:02 PM

Ive said this before, but Brother Bear would have been a fine movie.. if it came out in the 80s.

By the time it was made, the whole "jerkass gets turned into another creature until they learn to be good" had already been done by Disney (twice!)

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Sep 11th 2019 at 8:43:56 PM

Yeah, that news about a Pocahontas remake ain't too flash.

Disney can do bloody better than that.

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Sep 11th 2019 at 9:00:41 PM

Pocahontas already have a better remake that fixed most of the problem of the original, it called Moana.

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Sep 11th 2019 at 10:10:53 PM

[up][up]Within the last 5 years to boot.

[up]x5

As a bit of irony, he was also voiced by a real life douchebag. So, got to give them a minimum accuracy credit.

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Sep 15th 2019 at 12:24:30 PM

Anyone like a remake but not the original film? Maleficent doesn't count since it's not a remake.

I'm watching the Aladdin remake and it's not doing much for me, but I didn't like the original either. I like the characters, art design, the spinoff cartoon, etc but the film itself never interested me.

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Sep 15th 2019 at 12:33:11 PM

I like the live action Jungle Book a lot more than the animated Jungle Book, which loved to meander about with filler.

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Sep 18th 2019 at 2:02:29 AM

[up] The 2016 Jungle Book was a remake that added a lot of its own original content and twists, while spiritually having a lot more in common with the book than the original animated film did. It had its own identity, and a good one at that, which is why the case can be made that it's a remake that surpasses the original.

Though it's probably more of a reboot than a remake.

It's honestly a counterpoint example of why the later Disney remakes just go off the rails. Too much copying the original, often to an inferior degree, and not enough creativity or improvement.

Edited by BrightLight on Sep 18th 2019 at 10:26:26 PM

Sep 18th 2019 at 2:25:33 AM

[up]The weakest points of the 2016 Jungle Book remake were when they tried to pander to nostalgia. The new "I Wanna Be Like You", while still a great song on its own right, is completely at odds with the rest of the movie's tone. With the remakes that came after, they went more and more towards the "pandering to nostalgia".

Sep 18th 2019 at 3:11:37 AM

With The Jungle Book, the source material itself has had so many different adaptations that it helps they could go in a different direction while just leaving hints of the original. And both the animated movie and source material were rather episodic from the start.

Since then most of the remakes have been near one-to-one, replicating about 75% of the original script and hitting most of the same classic images. By the time of The Lion King it's basically the same movie.

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Sep 18th 2019 at 8:33:46 AM

I still kinda like Dumbo even for all its faults, because it tried to be more than what the original was and had a charm all on its own, even if it got a bit long-winded in the teeth towards the end.

I do think carbon copies of old films don't really count and shouldn't really count as a 'remake.'

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Sep 18th 2019 at 6:10:40 PM

Can we stop please posting news from that site? We’ve already gone over repeatedly how less-than-credible it is.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 18th 2019 at 6:12:18 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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Sep 18th 2019 at 6:23:43 PM

[up][up][up] Holy cow, you're Darkflamewolf.

I just want to say that I'm a big fan of your fic "Death Becomes You", and that you might know me as Transformers 0 on FF.net.

I was the one who made the suggestions to you about Mai's age and how she should behave for a child her age.

Edited by BrightLight on Sep 19th 2019 at 1:25:22 AM

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Sep 18th 2019 at 7:45:04 PM

[up][up][up]lolwut. No.

They'd never consider that. The film that destroyed their 2D department and shuttered development on all the other animated films they had in development? What is considered by exactly NO ONE to be a good film? No.

Sep 18th 2019 at 10:09:10 PM

[up]Misconception. Home on the Range didn't kill traditional 2D animation.

For claiming that no one likes it, I would like to cite some parts of the Trivia and YMMV pages of this film.

Under Creator Backlash:

  • Will Finn, who doesn't think much of the movie itself, but doesn't think it really deserves the heat it gets either, and claims its production was nowhere near as bad as his experience directing on films like The Road to El Dorado.
    "I think it's not a great movie but I do think the hate it's been served up is a little undeserved. It's very lightweight and jokey. More like an extended short than a feature. I had hoped that would work in its favor but it didn't."
  • Co-director John Sanford likewise has reservations about the movie. While he enjoyed working on the film sometimes, he doesn't particularly like the final product, to say the least.
Under Dear Negative Reader:
Despite his mixed feelings about the film, co-director John Sanford did not like Doug Walker's Disneycember review of the film, seeing it as obnoxious and taking umbrage at the review calling the film a half-assed, uncreative effort and emailed him more or less saying that if he ever saw him, things could get physically ugly. Co-director Will Finn, while nowhere as vocal about it as John, likewise disliked the review.
While it was the End of an Age:
  • The final traditionally animated movie to be released by Disney before they fully committed to CGI-animated productions (they tried again with The Princess and the Frog, but it didn't last). As such, it is often Mis-blamed for having killed the medium entirely at the studio, but was still considered by most fans and critics to have been a low point for their animation department. Coincidentally, this was also the last film of Disney's animated canon to receive a national release on VHS (Chicken Little was also released on VHS, but as a Disney Movie Club exclusive.)
And also a (somewhat) Franchise Killer / Genre-Killer:
As far as 2D Disney animation goes it almost killed the franchise, until The Princess and the Frog redeemed it somewhat.
And also had an Audience-Alienating Premise:
A relatively mild example of this, but is still often viewed upon by many as an overly kid-friendly run-of-the-mill Western with more familiar gags and puns than one cares to count. The fact that the main heroes happen to be cows likely didn't intrigue viewers either.
And has some Bile Fascination:
A much more mild case, as it is certainly not the worst animated film out there, but its extremely poor reputation and relative obscurity in the Disney Animated Canon has attracted the attention of fans who want to see why it was accused of killing traditional animation.
It was severely Mis-blamed:
Home on the Range, flawed as it may be, was not responsible for Disney's decision to stop producing hand-drawn animated films, as much as it was the end result of producing a decade's worth of mediocre 2D films, which were repeatedly clobbered by CGI newcomers both financially and critically. After Treasure Planet became the studio's biggest financial bomb ever, in light of Monsters, Inc., Shrek and Ice Age all becoming the top-grossing animated films ever, Disney decided to jump on the CGI bandwagon and scrambled to finish this film as quickly as possible to do so.
And it was Vindicated by Cable:
Home on the Range was overpowered by Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed, Walking Tall (2004), and Hellboy (2004) but it finally found its audience on cable.
And has some Critical Backlash:
Despite the hate and flack, there are a sizable number of people who really like it.
And is a Cult Classic:
Has gained a small fan following who claim it doesn't deserve half of the hate it gets.
I am merely presenting facts, not praising something I didn't watch.

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Sep 18th 2019 at 10:13:45 PM

[up][up][up]Oh, Hey! Nice to meet you here too, Transformer! :D Yeah, that be me. I'm...a bit stalled on the story since I'm focusing on other projects, but that's a discussion for another time on another thread, but if you want to continue the conversation, feel free to DM me. cool

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Sep 18th 2019 at 11:02:00 PM

One person adding a trope saying the movie was "vindicated" because maybe 30 people like it does not equal an undoing of all its colossal negative reception.

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Sep 18th 2019 at 11:04:44 PM

[up][up][up] Something carries the blame for a problem just for the fact they appeared before it happened.That is how the world works:'(

There is a quote by Bruce Lee that in mysums what up a good live action remake should be : Take what is good, discard what is useless and add what is uniquely yours

Edited by AbrahamOmosun on Sep 18th 2019 at 11:06:20 AM

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Sep 19th 2019 at 1:24:42 AM

I had no idea the directors of Home on the Range saw Doug Walker's review. Would have been interesting to see his reaction to their emails.

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Sep 19th 2019 at 1:48:43 AM

“emailed him more or less saying that if he ever saw him, things could get physically ugly. ”

At this point, who doesn’t want to beat the shit out of Doug Walker?

Sep 19th 2019 at 4:32:55 AM

[up][up][up][up]Why don't you go personally to IMDb, Amazon or other sites to see the user reviews (I know some reviews are suspicious, but at least see them)? And the colossal negative reception is mostly from the fans of the Disney Animated Canon, not from absolutely every single living human in the world.

Again, I am trying to be as neutral as possible, not defending a movie I never watched, and just trying to present facts.

I am sorry if I offend anyone and if I sound in this post like I'm defending Home on the Range.

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Sep 19th 2019 at 2:37:56 PM

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Sep 19th 2019 at 7:15:47 AM

Disney was also shifting away from 2D before Home on the Range was even completed because of films like Atlantis underperforming. Obviously, the real problem at the time wasn't the medium, because Chicken Little was 3D and sucked more.

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Sep 19th 2019 at 10:01:05 AM

And the colossal negative reception is mostly from the fans of the Disney Animated Canon, not from absolutely every single living human in the world.

What does the entire population of the world have to do with what was previously said. Is it impossible to judge Home on the Range until literally every human has seen it?

'The negativity only came from fans of the Disney Animated Canon'. So, the movie's target demographic.

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Sep 19th 2019 at 11:37:48 AM

[up]Fans of the Disney Animated Canon aren't the only primary target demographic. Primarly kids, but also their parents, too, were the main target demographic. To me, it's like saying the bronies are the real target demographic of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (even though it's rated TV-Y, and the intended demo is for girls and their parents).

And you're right about that:

What does the entire population of the world have to do with what was previously said. Is it impossible to judge Home on the Range until literally every human has seen it?
A mistake on my part. I was saying that what does the general public (not just DAC fans) say about this film.

Shall we end this conversation about Home in the Range? I think I've just made it awkward...

And I'm sorry for sounding too harsh to you all and too defensive to Home in the Range.

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