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Also, the beginning of Hunchback of Notre Dame where Frollo kills a woman onscreen then outright tries to drown her child. If it wasn't for a religious guilt trip, he would have actually done it.
Suddenly reminded that Hunchback showed a dead human body (Quasi's mother).
The Hunchback just didn't feel like a kids movie at all.
Edited by Blueace on Feb 23rd 2020 at 9:36:50 AM
The comic relief gargoyles make for a huge Mood Whiplash unless you see them as Quasimodo's imaginary friends (which I do).
Disney has no problem with dark stuff. It's just that the original story is bleak in a way that no Disney movie really is.
That doll from Mulan was definitely all but saying that the child that it belonged to had perished at the hands of the Huns, along with her entire village.
I think that's a content dilemma with any family film, animated or not.
I wish it wouldn't be though, since some of the most hardcore stories, myths, legends and fairy tales have child casualties in them.
Or just casualties period.
> I wish it wouldn't be though, since some of the most hardcore stories, myths, legends and fairy tales have child casualties in them.
Showing dead/injured children would push the age rating up significantly,it's therefore unnecessary to show it when you can imply it,a child's doll is widely recognised as a stand in for the representing a child.
Hell, we have a whole trope dedicated to this type of thing, Empathy Doll Shot.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Feb 22nd 2020 at 1:54:35 PM
But as long as it's not human children, it's A-OK?
(I just never understood that sort of loophole.)
Maybe that's the answer then. Don't make it human children as the casualties then, if the story needs one.
That would also probably help break the anthropomorphic ghetto as well.
Edited by BrightLight on Feb 23rd 2020 at 12:52:24 AM
I was going to bring up Empathy Doll Shot. It's pretty clear that everybody got killed, including the children.
As for the PG-13 rating, Mulan is the only one of the Disney Princess franchise to officially have killed hundreds of people.
> As for the PG-13 rating, Mulan is the only one of the Disney Princess franchise to officially have killed hundreds of people.
Like in Sly Cooper.
Leia: Commandered the assaults on two Death Stars and the Starkiller, among numerous other skirmishes, giving her a kill count in the planetary range.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 22nd 2020 at 8:27:37 AM
Seems like Disney usually reserves the killing for male heroes. Eric is the one who kills Ursula even though Ariel is the main protagonist and Flik lures Hopper to a bird's nest where he is killed. Even some of the "accidental" villain deaths are a result of male characters like the Beast throwing off Gaston's balance after being stabbed and the dwarfs chasing the evil queen to the edge of the cliff.
The Black Cauldron: Nobody kills the villain. He's done in just for thoughtlessly walking too close to the cauldron and gets sucked in.
Not really a contribution to the discussion but thought I'd mention it cause it's funny to me.
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Edited by Zarius on Feb 25th 2020 at 1:49:05 AM
So is Mulan the only Disney princess who's confirmed to have a body count?
I'd wager Elsa does, if unintentionally.
If you want to count Esmeralda, there's no way she hasn't shivved a sucker or a dozen in the past.
Debatable. Her escape from the Feast was probably as non-lethal as she could be.
Musical!Esmerelda I'd say yes to. Movie version, probably not.
At the very least, the biggest intentional body count in record among them.
For the films where bad guys die usually the prince does the deed (Eric in The Little Mermaid taking out Ursula; Phillip in Sleeping Beauty taking out Maleficent), or else it's a Self-Disposing Villain like the Evil Queen in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs or Gaston in Beauty and the Beast.
Linda Larkin would argue that Aurora was asleep (due to the title being Sleeping Beauty), and ergo wouldn't be able to fight Mellificent.
Speaking of Eric taking out Ursula, I always found it funny that Eric just get zonked out twice in the film. Once after his ship explodes, and Ariel has to save him, and then just passes out after taking out Ursula.
The Disney Princess video game had Aurora use the fairies' wand against Maleficent, among other cool stuff.
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