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Before making or posting in a thread, read the Trope Repairing Guidelines to see whether a thread you're considering making actually should be made, as well as what is and isn't allowed in an open thread.

This thread is a metathread for Trope Repair Shop discussion. Things like TRS policy, what is needed in a TRS opening post, questions about whether a certain topic is TRS-worthy and questions about why a thread wasn't opened go here.

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  • If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
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    • Consult the Wick Check Project thread to collect evidence if you need help.
  • Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 12th 2025 at 11:35:13 AM

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#2226: Aug 18th 2021 at 8:49:47 AM

I was planning to take Extreme Sport Excuse Plot to TRS eventually after I do a wick check, but I'm thinking the problem is less complaining, and more that it's The Same, but More Specific to Excuse Plot. I'm asking here to gauge if I'm not alone in thinking that, and to determine what to list the trope under when I take it here. Is Extreme Sport Excuse Plot not dissimilar enough from Excuse Plot?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2227: Aug 18th 2021 at 8:57:23 AM

As noted in the Extreme Sport Excuse Plot TRS thread from 2012, Excuse Plot is a game trope. And per the 2011 TRS on Excuse Plot, non-game examples tend to become complaining about works with weak plots.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#2228: Aug 18th 2021 at 8:58:24 AM
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2229: Aug 18th 2021 at 9:02:05 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what Septimus is saying is that despite having "excuse plot" in the name, it's not actually a subtrope of Excuse Plot, because the latter is a thin justification for the gameplay, while ESEP is a thin justification for introducing a high-flying sport that the audience has little exposure to.

Edited by Synchronicity on Aug 18th 2021 at 11:03:59 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2230: Aug 18th 2021 at 9:18:18 AM

What I think is that a) Excuse Plot is distinct since it is a game trope and Extreme Sport Excuse Plot is not so you can't merge the latter into the former and b) we can't broaden Excuse Plot to cover non-game examples because then folks will use it to bitch about plots they don't like.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#2231: Aug 18th 2021 at 9:31:37 AM

Excuse Plot might need its own TRS if it's being misused for non-games.

Hell, Septimus himself just used the term (but not the trope itself) to refer to a non-game work, so it may have potential for works where the script doesn't have as much focus as surrounding elements like fanservice, cool stunts, etc.

[nja] but I think making it less "plots I don't like" and more "the plot takes a backseat to some other appealing element," maybe with a new name, could be viable.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 18th 2021 at 12:32:20 PM

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2232: Aug 18th 2021 at 9:51:45 AM

Something like Porn Without Plot?

Sports Without Plot?

...

No Plot? No Problem! is using Excuse Plot in its Fantasia example... Which is not a Video Game...

Edited by Malady on Aug 18th 2021 at 9:58:32 AM

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FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#2233: Aug 19th 2021 at 7:55:27 AM

I'm bringing up Notable Music Videos and Notable Flash Videos for the same issue as Notable Quotables. These, however, should be kept as indexes; the goal is to dewick and cut all of their usage as a trope.

selkies TOO serious! from Guess, guess, guess Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
TOO serious!
#2234: Aug 19th 2021 at 12:32:06 PM

The Notable Quotables thread is almost done for anyone who wants to grab the chance for a new thread.

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FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#2235: Aug 19th 2021 at 1:31:03 PM

Me, with [up][up]; seems like a quick issue.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#2236: Aug 19th 2021 at 3:00:05 PM

Someone previously brought up Essential Anime as being unnecessarily subjective (since indexes aren't supposed to be subjective, which is why indexes like Sturgeons Tropes were cut while Pet-Peeve Trope was given a sectionectomy) in addition to containing Fan Myopia, so I'm wondering if it's essentially the anime equivalent to the "Notable X" pages in terms of usage.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 19th 2021 at 5:01:40 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#2237: Aug 19th 2021 at 3:44:43 PM

There's two more "notable" tropes on top of the two I'm making a thread for: Notable Fanfiction Archives and Music Of Note. The former can probably be cut wholesale as it's not needed, while the latter has the same issues as Authors Of Quote and Essential Anime.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Aug 19th 2021 at 7:45:06 AM

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#2238: Aug 19th 2021 at 4:09:25 PM

Advertising Campaigns used to have "Notable" in the name before TRS changed it because There Is No Such Thing as Notability, and Notable Commercial Campaigns is still a redirect.

I got a rock for Halloween.
AmourLeFou You'll never find out who I am from Colorado Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
You'll never find out who I am
#2239: Aug 19th 2021 at 7:22:05 PM

I made a crowner and want to make a thread here where I can attach the crowner, but apparently, there's a limit of 50 threads. Is there anywhere else I can post it?

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FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#2240: Aug 19th 2021 at 7:23:22 PM

[up] What you actually want to do is make the thread first, and then make a crowner based on what was discussed on the thread.

Serac she/her (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
she/her
#2241: Aug 19th 2021 at 7:31:10 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to make a crowner until the thread has been up for three days.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#2242: Aug 19th 2021 at 7:32:13 PM

Yeah, this is wayyy too pre-emptive.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#2243: Aug 19th 2021 at 7:40:47 PM

I added Music Of Note and Notable Fanfiction Archives to Tropes Needing TRS. (As a side note, I also reverted a unilateral change from Commonwealth to American spelling, per American and Commonwealth Spellings.)

I got a rock for Halloween.
Serac she/her (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
she/her
#2244: Aug 19th 2021 at 7:55:31 PM

Also, once the slot opens up, I have a quick and easy page I'd like to post a thread about: Self Propelled Barrier Of Stupidity.

FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#2245: Aug 19th 2021 at 8:12:59 PM

[up] I'll probably be fast asleep by the time the slot opens, so it's fine by me if you grab it instead.

EDIT: Managed to snag it anyway.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Aug 19th 2021 at 1:51:05 PM

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2246: Aug 19th 2021 at 9:35:58 PM

Also going to pitch in on ~Amour Le Fou's post: while anyone can make crowners, only moderators can attach crowners.

Edited by Berrenta on Aug 19th 2021 at 11:36:31 AM

FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#2247: Aug 20th 2021 at 7:39:25 AM

I'll wait for the current thread to end before I make the last one for Music Of Note and Essential Anime. Unlike the three in the current thread, which are partially indexes and might contain something salvageable, these are written as JFF pages, so discussing those could have too many things at once going on in the thread.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#2248: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:33:57 AM

We use TRS to deal with Useful Notes pages, right? Because Lemonade Stands has no useful information and the trope part will be better covered by this TLP draft.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#2249: Aug 20th 2021 at 9:08:19 AM

[up] There was a Project for that, but as you can see, it's not very active.

Malady (X-Troper)
#2250: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:46:10 PM

Inverse Romantic Interest should close soon. 1 wick left at last check, and it's cutting.

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