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Before making or posting in a thread, read the Trope Repairing Guidelines to see whether a thread you're considering making actually should be made, as well as what is and isn't allowed in an open thread.

This thread is a metathread for Trope Repair Shop discussion. Things like TRS policy, what is needed in a TRS opening post, questions about whether a certain topic is TRS-worthy and questions about why a thread wasn't opened go here.

Some guidelines for when/whether to use TRS:

  • If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
  • If you think there's something wrong with the trope that systematically attracts improper examples, start a discussion at Trope Talk. Use a Wick Check to see whether there's an issue present (and if there is, what the issue is). The following methods are two possible ways to do a wick check (though not necessarily the only ways):
    • You can go ahead with the Wick Check without a discussion if you know what you're looking for. While it's not mandatory, feel free to ask someone for help confirming that you got the issue and the numbers correct.
    • Consult the Wick Check Project thread to collect evidence if you need help.
  • Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 12th 2025 at 11:35:13 AM

Malady (X-Troper)
#8901: Jul 1st 2024 at 5:15:40 AM

MisaimedMarketing is sub-140

EverybodyWantsTheHermaphrodite got a redefine and someone just needs to make Sandbox.Intersex Allure, I think?

Cartoon Whale is just being given more days as a courtesy or whatever before it's cut.

Beneath The Earth is just waiting on a TLP replacement to finish?

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
UchuuFlamenco Since: Jul, 2017
#8902: Jul 1st 2024 at 8:44:45 AM

Weird question maybe, but now that my entry for Paedo Hunt is #5 in the queue I went back to look at the wick check to see if everything is in order. I noticed that one of the wicks I checked belongs to a page that has been deleted. Should I replace it for a different random wick, or should I keep it for historical purposes (I made the wick check back in September 2023)?

animuacid The girl of the window from Astyr residence in Lilysthia's grounds Since: Jan, 2024 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
The girl of the window
#8903: Jul 1st 2024 at 9:11:02 AM

[up] I don't think it's important to change it, the conclusions would be the same.

While the expansion of your OP in the TRS Queue is great, it still doesn't include any proposal of a solution. I'm thinking about a split between pedophilia is a special kind of evil and hysteria on pedophilia.

opal6561 Opalinski (he/him) from Who knows? Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Opalinski (he/him)
#8904: Jul 1st 2024 at 9:35:01 AM

[up][up][up] Sandbox.Intersex Allure now exists.

Some autistic aromantic young man
TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit The clown of STEEL from Ichnusa Since: Mar, 2024
The clown of STEEL
#8905: Jul 1st 2024 at 9:59:20 AM

I finally did it.

There are some tropes that I think had issues and wanted to join in their repair threads (if they'll get any), and one of the first ones was Luckily, My Shield Will Protect Me.

But to do that, I first had to do the most boring and difficult part of Tv Tropes, and that is the Wick Check.

And that's exactly what I did. For the first time, I made a true Wick Check, and I started with Luckily, My Shield Will Protect Me, and compiled the results (54 wicks for this check) here: Sandbox.For Wick Checks.

You can draw your own conclusions from there, to me it's a very inconsistent usage for a trope (some examples try to explain that the shield is very good, some would work better as Special Ability Shield or Deflector Shields, and, of course, Zero Context Examples).
Because Luckily, My Shield Will Protect Me has alternating between being "shields" and "shields are NOT useless", so I don't even know what's misuse and what's not.

Oo oo ah ah
animuacid The girl of the window from Astyr residence in Lilysthia's grounds Since: Jan, 2024 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
The girl of the window
#8906: Jul 1st 2024 at 10:10:12 AM

[up] In a wick check there should be folders to classify the different usages of a trope and add the new wicks in each one. That way you can count and make percentages of correct use/ different use, and it's easier for readers to interpret.

When I start mine, I always create the folder first before adding the wicks.

TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit The clown of STEEL from Ichnusa Since: Mar, 2024
The clown of STEEL
#8907: Jul 1st 2024 at 10:12:40 AM

Aw here we go again... Assuming "shields are very good" is the correct usage...

Oo oo ah ah
animuacid The girl of the window from Astyr residence in Lilysthia's grounds Since: Jan, 2024 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
The girl of the window
#8908: Jul 1st 2024 at 10:16:00 AM

Not all wick checks are classified as correct use or misuse, sometimes it's a list of different uses.

Edited by animuacid on Jul 1st 2024 at 7:16:14 PM

UchuuFlamenco Since: Jul, 2017
#8909: Jul 1st 2024 at 6:37:24 PM

@ animuacid: Thanks for telling me! I completely forgot to add the proposed solutions section. I also think splitting would be the best solution.

TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit The clown of STEEL from Ichnusa Since: Mar, 2024
The clown of STEEL
#8910: Jul 2nd 2024 at 2:20:30 AM

So, I think I reached a pretty good point for my Luckily, My Shield Will Protect Me wick check: Sandbox.For Wick Checks.

According to that, the majority of examples (25,93% of total) explain how shields work in different game systems... so, what should we do with that?

Oo oo ah ah
JHD0919 (Life not ruined yet)
#8911: Jul 2nd 2024 at 10:39:32 AM

Re: 8898

This Is a Wiki. You can easily re-add it yourself, especially since, as Gaston said, the queue is informal.

Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8913: Jul 3rd 2024 at 8:19:23 PM

I feel like there's been a lot of, erm... over-eager people lately who are attempting to get things done before the threads officially get consensus. Is there anything we can do here?

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#8914: Jul 3rd 2024 at 11:08:02 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8915: Jul 3rd 2024 at 11:20:46 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
nickb64 Trope Appreciator since 2021 from Afterlife Antechamber Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Trope Appreciator since 2021
#8916: Jul 4th 2024 at 1:14:55 AM

I'd suggest the trope "Pan Up to the Sky" Ending to be renamed into 'Tilt Up To The Sky Ending', as it's the correct term. (You can only pan left and right and tilt up and down the camera)

It's an already renamed trope (used to be "Look Up the Sky Ending"). I don't know if renaming tropes requires permission from an admin, or if I should ignore it because it's just a syntax mistake.

unmarked spoilers (and my curiosity) ruined my spoiler-free watchings
FSharp Resisting a rest Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: I wanna know what love is
#8917: Jul 4th 2024 at 1:34:10 AM

[up] I notice the description says it's a Sub-Trope of Pan, when it should be a Sub-Trope of Tilt instead.

I don't just Wiki Talk the talk. I Wiki Walk the walk.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#8918: Jul 4th 2024 at 4:29:42 AM

~randomtroper89 is up next according to the Queue, but I don't see permission for others to launch the thread.

I got a rock for Halloween.
MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#8919: Jul 4th 2024 at 9:37:07 AM

[up][up][up] TRS is always required to rename a trope, I believe.

Edited by MorganWick on Jul 4th 2024 at 9:37:42 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8920: Jul 4th 2024 at 9:38:10 AM

Yep, even if it's a mistake like that.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#8921: Jul 4th 2024 at 9:52:32 AM

While TRS is required to rename a trope (as stated on Trope Renaming Guidelines), Creating New Redirects doesn't require TRS and instead redirects have to be vetted by mods in this thread.

Edit: Went ahead and made "Tilt Up to the Sky" Ending a redirect.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 4th 2024 at 11:54:36 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
GastonRabbit MOD C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#8922: Jul 4th 2024 at 9:59:29 AM

Going back to discussion from before that, this thread is not for reporting or complaining about other users' forum activity. Use hollers or private ATT queries for that.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 4th 2024 at 12:00:31 PM

I got a rock for Halloween.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8923: Jul 4th 2024 at 10:00:30 AM

Sorry, I wasn't intending it to be a report, more of just a general "what do" to stop such behavior across the board. Which is why I pointed out that it was happening with multiple people (and didn't even specify in post 1)

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 4th 2024 at 1:01:04 PM

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
GastonRabbit MOD C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#8924: Jul 4th 2024 at 10:05:01 AM

If it's happening with multiple people, use a private ATT query.

I got a rock for Halloween.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8925: Jul 4th 2024 at 10:07:06 AM

But again I'm not reporting people, I only pointed that out in response to the question I was asked.

I'm just trying to have a general discussion about gun-jumping, which may be more suited to Wiki Talk but is definitely not meant to be a report to the mods.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall

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