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Before making or posting in a thread, read the Trope Repairing Guidelines to see whether a thread you're considering making actually should be made, as well as what is and isn't allowed in an open thread.

This thread is a metathread for Trope Repair Shop discussion. Things like TRS policy, what is needed in a TRS opening post, questions about whether a certain topic is TRS-worthy and questions about why a thread wasn't opened go here.

Some guidelines for when/whether to use TRS:

  • If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
  • If you think there's something wrong with the trope that systematically attracts improper examples, start a discussion at Trope Talk. Use a Wick Check to see whether there's an issue present (and if there is, what the issue is). The following methods are two possible ways to do a wick check (though not necessarily the only ways):
    • You can go ahead with the Wick Check without a discussion if you know what you're looking for. While it's not mandatory, feel free to ask someone for help confirming that you got the issue and the numbers correct.
    • Consult the Wick Check Project thread to collect evidence if you need help.
  • Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.

For a more detailed introduction to this forum, click here.

For related projects, see Wick Cleaning Projects and the Wick Check Project.

For a list of wiki pages related to thread outcomes, see the following:

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 12th 2025 at 11:35:13 AM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#5776: Sep 23rd 2022 at 10:27:37 AM

The healthy line after a while may be up to case by case basis, some may just be old concepts while other have issues.

If Quote Swear Unquote gets full check we can consider if it's redundant to anything or just needs more research.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#5777: Sep 23rd 2022 at 11:11:07 AM

i would be willing to do the legwork on wick checking since i brought it up in tje first place and it's not that many wicks.

ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#5778: Sep 23rd 2022 at 2:29:48 PM

~Amonimus ~Piterpicher ~amathieu13 ~MacronNotes

Quote Wick Check Unquote is finished and what i see is that of the "correct" usage, most of it's low-context and all of it fits under either Precision F-Strike or This Is for Emphasis, Bitch!. the description for Quote Swear Unquote says it may overlap with those two; in actuality, it doesn't appear to be a pattern at all separate from those two. in addition, with the duplicate examples i unearthed, there are even less proper example wicks than there appeared to be at first. im gonna reaffirm that this needs a Not Thriving thread.

Edited by ChloeJessica on Sep 23rd 2022 at 2:36:14 AM

ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#5780: Sep 23rd 2022 at 2:47:08 PM

[up]i see. though given that the usage is completely subsumed by other tropes, you could label it under duplicate trope too. either way, nice work![tup]

and to be clear, i agree with the whole case-by-case thing [up]x4 and that some tropes are specific enough to have a naturally low wick count (what Picher and Macron said on the previous page).

that said, what I don't want is for a "standing" status to deter us from doing wick checks. I stand by the notion that few wicks over a long period of time are a decent indicator that there may be a problem worth looking into at the very least.

Edited by amathieu13 on Sep 23rd 2022 at 6:28:05 AM

Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#5781: Sep 23rd 2022 at 2:55:31 PM

Nice work. Yeah, I'm convinced this should be TRS-ed and that wick checks may still be worth it for these tropes.

Edited by Piterpicher on Sep 23rd 2022 at 11:55:56 AM

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#5782: Sep 23rd 2022 at 2:56:31 PM

Basically, yes, I think for tropes with low-but-not-starving counts we should do checks to see if other issues exist.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#5783: Sep 23rd 2022 at 3:10:08 PM

i have readded Quote Swear Unquote to the queue, thanks for the input all. ill get an OP worked up before it comes up.

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#5784: Sep 23rd 2022 at 3:52:29 PM

I was asleep but that's more than good enough for a thread.

Macron's notes
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#5785: Sep 23rd 2022 at 4:47:43 PM

Looking at the queue...we'll need a wick check for Engineered Heroics, which as of this post is 29th in line.

~randomtroper89, as you placed it in the queue, will you be able to do it before it gets its turn? You should have plenty if time, judging by the current pace.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#5786: Sep 23rd 2022 at 5:00:50 PM

Paging ~Hello83433 since they're up next.

I got a rock for Halloween.
randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#5787: Sep 23rd 2022 at 5:07:33 PM

[up][up]I did do a wick check, sorry for not linking to it.

amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#5788: Sep 24th 2022 at 4:19:15 AM

would it be possible to get Administrivia.Renamed Tropes, Administrivia.Split Tropes, Administrivia.Launch Displacement, and Administrivia.Trope Idea Salvage Yard added to the bulletin note posted at the top of this forum? They're all directly related to thread outcomes and it would be nice to have them easily accessible so people don't forget to add pages to them when appropriate.

Edited by amathieu13 on Sep 24th 2022 at 7:19:45 AM

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#5789: Sep 24th 2022 at 4:20:37 AM

Yeah, give me a bit and I'll add them.

Edit: Done.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 24th 2022 at 6:22:37 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#5791: Sep 24th 2022 at 6:44:44 AM

~Ikea Han is up next now that Courtroom Antic's thread has been disbarred.

I got a rock for Halloween.
Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
Just stoic wisdom.
#5792: Sep 24th 2022 at 10:57:30 AM

~prettycoolguy you're up since Ikea Han's got morgued for lack of wick check, I think?

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#5793: Sep 24th 2022 at 10:59:53 AM

The Ikea Han's Shoto Clone thread was morgued because there was no wick check or a clear plan of action. If both of those issues are resolved and it's been proved that the trope does need TRS, we can move the thread back.

~Prettycoolguy You are up next.

Ah [nja]

Edited by MacronNotes on Sep 24th 2022 at 11:10:44 AM

Macron's notes
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#5794: Sep 24th 2022 at 8:10:05 PM

~War Jay 77 is up next since the fact that DarthWiki.Bland Branded Board Game had only one wick provided an opportunity to waive the Three-Day Rule.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 24th 2022 at 10:10:11 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#5795: Sep 24th 2022 at 8:10:33 PM

Yeah, I was gonna ask since Ikea Han is still working on the wick check. Welp, thread's coming up.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#5797: Sep 25th 2022 at 5:39:56 PM

I closed Ambiguous Situation's thread since the main goal (turning it into a supertrope) is done. Further work can be moved to a cleanup thread if necessary, similarly to when Hate Sink was turned into a supertrope.

Anyway, paging ~Theriocephalus per the Queue.

I got a rock for Halloween.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#5798: Sep 25th 2022 at 8:17:53 PM

(Retracted.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 25th 2022 at 10:47:37 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#5799: Sep 25th 2022 at 8:47:16 PM

Oh, whoops, it turns out that ~Noaqiyeum is next. I misread the queue because the proposer of the top item in the queue hadn't made their thread yet, so I accidentally skipped from the second to the third.

I got a rock for Halloween.
Noaqiyeum we must dissent (it/they) from across the gulf of space (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
we must dissent (it/they)
#5800: Sep 25th 2022 at 11:36:29 PM

Thank you! Thread posted, just need to edit the queue.

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