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Before making or posting in a thread, read the Trope Repairing Guidelines to see whether a thread you're considering making actually should be made, as well as what is and isn't allowed in an open thread.

This thread is a metathread for Trope Repair Shop discussion. Things like TRS policy, what is needed in a TRS opening post, questions about whether a certain topic is TRS-worthy and questions about why a thread wasn't opened go here.

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  • If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 12th 2025 at 11:35:13 AM

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4851: Jun 2nd 2022 at 7:22:51 PM

Most of the off page wicks that were left look fine to me (although there was a ZCE someone added back to a page after I already delete it) and the on page examples were already cleaned for most part (and just need to be cross wicked if they aren't already.) However, there aren't many examples that partial context examples left. However, it might have been better to have Blaming "The Man" develop in the TLP due to the the lack of good examples left. Not sure if we need to make a new TRS thread/reopen the old one or just make an example gathering draft on TLP.

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4852: Jun 2nd 2022 at 10:37:33 PM

Its Raining Salesmen thread has been resolved. Pinging ~mr_c because they are next on the queue.

Actually, the underscore broke the ping so I ended up PM'ing someone else so I'll PM them directly...

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 2nd 2022 at 1:39:19 PM

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4853: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:11:30 AM

[up]Are you sure the underscore broke the ping, since the admins fixed the ping code fairly recently to accommodate usernames that contain punctuation and/or begin with something other than a letter? I checked their PMs and I saw both the ping and the direct PM you sent after it.

Edit: Also, I agree that taking Blaming "The Man" to TLP instead of resurrecting its TRS thread would be the better option.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 3rd 2022 at 4:18:01 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4854: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:20:28 AM

Oh, I assumed it didn't work because mr_c links to a different troper called Mr C without the underscore but apparently the ping works despite that.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4855: Jun 3rd 2022 at 11:33:02 AM

I closed the Sempai/Kōhai thread because I previously forgot that there was discussion about wick cleanup being unnecessary, and followed that up by making the next item in the queue (the thread for New York Is Only Manhattan).

I got a rock for Halloween.
Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
Just stoic wisdom.
#4856: Jun 3rd 2022 at 8:22:40 PM

What's the protocol if I want to nitpick the punctuation in a trope title? Because I think The Parent-Produced Project should have a hyphen (Parent-Produced).

Edit: Last-Minute Project too.

Edited by Yindee on Jun 3rd 2022 at 11:24:17 AM

Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4857: Jun 3rd 2022 at 8:24:25 PM

That's not a TRS issue. You can ask for punctuation changes via the custom title tool on your own (read How to Make a Custom Title if you are unfamiliar with the process) If you have questions or concerns regarding custom titles you can go to the Custom title cleanup for input.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 3rd 2022 at 11:27:40 AM

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Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4859: Jun 4th 2022 at 8:19:44 PM

Qipao's thread is done, so I made the next thread in the queue (Bald Black Leader Guy).

I got a rock for Halloween.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4861: Jun 4th 2022 at 10:35:49 PM

Also, I'm up next in the queue, and since Prongs of Poseidon's thread only has one namespace left to go through, I'll probably be able to make that thread soon (though if a different mod ends up closing the thread, they might make it instead since I gave others permission to make it).

I got a rock for Halloween.
FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#4862: Jun 5th 2022 at 11:42:39 AM

I might have to take Alternative Character Interpretation here at some point, it's a magnet for Zero-Context Examples. Most examples I've found read like this:

Which does nothing to explain why each side of the fandom would argue for either of these interpretations. They're almost always phrased as questions, for some reason, which might be considered Word Cruft (specifically, About Rhetorical Questions).

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#4863: Jun 5th 2022 at 11:58:42 AM

We do have a thread somewhere for it, actually.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4864: Jun 5th 2022 at 7:12:31 PM

Loads And Loads Of Characters thread has been resolved so there's a spot open. ~War Jay 77

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4866: Jun 5th 2022 at 7:35:32 PM

Yeah, that's fine. I forgot to copy the contents into my closing post so I just did that now.

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Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
Just stoic wisdom.
#4867: Jun 5th 2022 at 7:42:31 PM

Just updated the wick counts for Administrivia.Wick Cleaning Projects as I've decided to do every three days (I don't know, I tell myself it's useful). Notable wick decreases in the past three days are Hollywood Nerd at -157 wicks and Panty Shot at -144 wicks.

Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#4868: Jun 5th 2022 at 8:18:40 PM

Oh, sweet. Thread up soon.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Malady (X-Troper)
#4869: Jun 5th 2022 at 8:53:48 PM

[up][up] - FWIW, lower numbers make me feel more confident to do something because it's a clearer difference I can make.

But currently preoccupied with disambig-ed works wick migrations.

Note to Self: A really good system can probably do 1 edit every 2 seconds?

Edited by Malady on Jun 5th 2022 at 8:55:09 AM

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#4870: Jun 6th 2022 at 12:09:42 PM

Just came across Toothy Issue, which describes itself as being about "the use of teeth in fiction" and lists some tooth-related tropes. It has no on-page examples, but does have 82 wicks. As an index, it'd be redundant with Teeth Tropes.

What category on Tropes Needing TRS should it go into?

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4871: Jun 6th 2022 at 12:10:38 PM

Maybe Not Tropeworthy or just Needs Help.

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selkies TOO serious! from Guess, guess, guess Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
TOO serious!
#4872: Jun 6th 2022 at 2:52:53 PM

I have a question. If a trope involves speculation about audience reactions to an element in fiction does that make it YMMV?

Edited by selkies on Jun 6th 2022 at 12:53:41 PM

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Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
Just stoic wisdom.
#4873: Jun 6th 2022 at 3:12:15 PM

I'm no expert but I would think all speculation goes under YMMV, tbh.

Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Infitroper Since: Oct, 2016
#4875: Jun 7th 2022 at 6:59:31 AM

[up][up][up][up] I'd say to use "Duplicate Trope" for that one.


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