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Before making or posting in a thread, read the Trope Repairing Guidelines to see whether a thread you're considering making actually should be made, as well as what is and isn't allowed in an open thread.

This thread is a metathread for Trope Repair Shop discussion. Things like TRS policy, what is needed in a TRS opening post, questions about whether a certain topic is TRS-worthy and questions about why a thread wasn't opened go here.

Some guidelines for when/whether to use TRS:

  • If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
  • If you think there's something wrong with the trope that systematically attracts improper examples, start a discussion at Trope Talk. Use a Wick Check to see whether there's an issue present (and if there is, what the issue is). The following methods are two possible ways to do a wick check (though not necessarily the only ways):
    • You can go ahead with the Wick Check without a discussion if you know what you're looking for. While it's not mandatory, feel free to ask someone for help confirming that you got the issue and the numbers correct.
    • Consult the Wick Check Project thread to collect evidence if you need help.
  • Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.

For a more detailed introduction to this forum, click here.

For related projects, see Wick Cleaning Projects and the Wick Check Project.

For a list of wiki pages related to thread outcomes, see the following:

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 12th 2025 at 11:35:13 AM

Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
Just stoic wisdom.
#4701: May 11th 2022 at 2:11:18 PM

So are the Main and Character pages the only ones I should consider as non-audience?

Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#4702: May 11th 2022 at 2:50:28 PM

Main pages, character pages, recap pages, etc.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
Just stoic wisdom.
#4703: May 11th 2022 at 5:29:44 PM

...what about Useful Notes? Since those are standalone pages, can YMMV wicks be on them?

Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
GastonRabbit MOD C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4704: May 11th 2022 at 9:21:33 PM

Discussion regarding which wicks can go where is off-topic for this thread. Please read What Goes Where on the Wiki if you want an answer to that question, and if that isn't sufficient, make a Wiki Talk thread.

I got a rock for Halloween.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4705: May 12th 2022 at 12:51:28 AM

Since this thread has been more active than the Uncanny Valley thread (which hadn't been posted in since the middle of last month until I posted a bit ago), I was wanting input on the sandboxes for its thread, which is moving the YMMV part to a new name and turning the main page into an IUEO trope. The sandboxes originally contained copies of Main.Uncanny Valley as placeholders so existing text could be reused if possible, but I finally ended up with the motivation to do something about that (which I had been wanting to do for a while), but I'm not sure if the changes I made are sufficient.

I got a rock for Halloween.
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#4706: May 12th 2022 at 1:09:45 AM

[up] Did you post that in the right place?

Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4707: May 12th 2022 at 1:11:22 AM

I took that as asking to go to UV thread and give input on the progress.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#4708: May 12th 2022 at 1:12:44 AM

[up] Whoops, didn't realize that. I apologize GR.

Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4709: May 12th 2022 at 2:49:28 AM

[up]No problem. I should be apologizing if I seemed like I was derailing the thread since I stopped a derail in the post above it. Amonimus is correct in that I was trying to bring more attention to the Uncanny Valley thread; the reason I posted about that thread here is to post a status update on a thread that had previously been dormant for a few weeks; I was hoping to draw more people to that thread since the fact that the sandboxes hadn't been moved to Main/ was what was preventing cleanup from starting.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 12th 2022 at 4:50:35 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4710: May 12th 2022 at 4:36:47 AM

Bring Them Around doesn't even have 10 examples despite being a trope since pre-history.

(I need to start queuing things again)

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#4711: May 12th 2022 at 5:33:02 AM

Not sure what thread this should go at the forum. I created a short term project topic to clean up the mess of bad examples in the trope Bleached Underpants. It was brought up that the trope description should probably also be rewritten. I’m keen to give it a go, but want to start a thread for it, rewrite, then post for feedback.

Where should I do this? Thanks.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4712: May 12th 2022 at 5:45:01 AM

[up]Depends on what you want to do with the description. If you're merely clarifying the current definition, you'd want the Trope Description Improvement Drive Long-Term Projects thread, since clarifying a description doesn't require TRS. If you want to change the definition itself, you'd need TRS.

(I haven't read that thread, so I wasn't sure which course of action was suggested.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 12th 2022 at 7:46:01 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#4713: May 12th 2022 at 3:29:13 PM

[up] Thanks. I'm guessing it'll be clarification. Here's the thread where the topic of working on the trope description came up:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16515401850A69221200&page=1

Let me know if something different is needed. Thanks!

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4714: May 13th 2022 at 10:37:24 AM

Standard Snippet thread is likely be over today, so pinging ~GoldenCityBird in case they're online.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
GoldenCityBird from the UK Since: Oct, 2018
#4715: May 13th 2022 at 12:47:58 PM

I probably won't be online when that thread closes, so don't bother waiting for me.

TRS Wick Cleaning
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4716: May 14th 2022 at 6:41:37 AM

I handled the rest of Undermined By Reality's wicks since they required mod intervention anyway (either they were on locked pages or pages that needed to be cut), so paging ~MacronNotes since a slot's open now.

I got a rock for Halloween.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4718: May 15th 2022 at 10:07:07 AM

I feel it's easier to just look at threads that weren't active in a while and read through recent posts to check where it's left off, it's either cleanup or pending trope's new description.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#4719: May 15th 2022 at 11:31:54 AM

I made the tracker in response to an issue of people bumping just to ask if any cleanup has been started, or worse, to suggest solutions long after the solution was found. I'd personally rather just start pinning mod posts that say "here's what we're doing", but this was the second best option.

Like Amonimus said, reading the recent posts is much easier, but a lot of people still don't ever do that.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 15th 2022 at 2:32:39 PM

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4720: May 15th 2022 at 11:41:27 AM

I'm pretty sure I had suggested adding to-do lists to opening posts and pinning them before I became a mod, but now that I am one, I suppose I could start doing that if anyone asks for that to be done (preferably within the threads themselves since I don't usually read hollers). I'd probably put the opening posts' original contents in folders when adding the to-do lists.

I got a rock for Halloween.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4721: May 15th 2022 at 3:25:54 PM

Loving the idea of putting "the progress so far..." into pinned post.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
Just stoic wisdom.
#4722: May 15th 2022 at 3:32:33 PM

I'd be able to jump into projects without any fear that I'd be doing something wrong if there's a pinned explanation at the top of what the gameplan is! Love me some explicit instructions.

Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#4723: May 15th 2022 at 4:28:12 PM

Yeah, that'd nullify the need for the sandbox completely and make it way easier.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
Just stoic wisdom.
#4724: May 15th 2022 at 4:49:11 PM

Also unsure if "Spinning" was ever a TRS project, but that's been super stagnant on the Wick Cleaning Projects page. And it's got a whole lotta wicks!

Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4725: May 15th 2022 at 4:55:52 PM

It did have a TRS thread. The thread was closed because cleanup stalled which happened quite a bit back then.

I am still dubious about Spectacular Spinning being a trope + index instead of just an index because most of the examples with context (that I found) fell under Spin Attack but that's a discussion for another time I guess. I might consider wick checking Spectacular Spinning at some point to see if we should bring it back to the TRS.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 15th 2022 at 8:17:42 AM

Macron's notes

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