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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 12th 2025 at 11:35:13 AM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#4176: Mar 13th 2022 at 10:27:06 AM

If I were to guess (not necessarily an agreement) you would have to know the person the work is dedicated to is both (a) dead and (b) connected to the work in some way. Both are behind-the-scenes info.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 13th 2022 at 12:41:17 PM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#4177: Mar 13th 2022 at 10:29:56 AM

That, or Dedication is misplaced. Or maybe In Memoriam is.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#4178: Mar 13th 2022 at 3:10:49 PM

Does merging Game Show Tropes into Game Show require a wick check? I can safely see that all Series/ wicks are just potholed section headers.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4179: Mar 13th 2022 at 3:20:12 PM

[up]I personally don't think it's necessary, because it's an index and thus shouldn't have those wicks to begin with. The same was true of when Trying To Catch Me Fighting Dirty was renamed to This Index Fights Dirty because it was frequently misused as a trope (in place of Combat Pragmatist).

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#4180: Mar 13th 2022 at 3:22:59 PM

I don't think so. Not sure what we would be checking for anyways. If we decide to merge those two, then I guess we could merge Reality TV Tropes and Reality TV? We have several Genre Tropes indexes though so I don't think it's that out of place.

We could just clean the wicks and we don't need TRS for that.

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 13th 2022 at 6:23:53 AM

Macron's notes
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4181: Mar 13th 2022 at 3:31:06 PM

If we can skip threading and just copy the indexes to their respective genre pages where applicable, that would be nice, though quite informal. Maybe Short-Term?

e: Don't think there's a way to wick clean without un-troping first. If the merge needs a discussion, I'll just plug it to the queue.

Edited by Amonimus on Mar 13th 2022 at 1:32:45 PM

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#4182: Mar 13th 2022 at 3:35:15 PM

Gah. I've been meaning to clean up the soft split game show pages — the reason those wicks are there — and keep putting it off. I see no issue in separating the medium/genre with tropes found in the medium/genre right now. Such a change will affect a lot of other pages.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4183: Mar 13th 2022 at 3:42:49 PM

The more I think of it the more I feel discouraged about doing anything with X Tropes indexes. I think at least the wicks should be cleared and game shows tropes be sorted.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#4184: Mar 13th 2022 at 4:06:30 PM

Well, a project that changes the page instead of just changing the wicks would have to go through TRS, as with other Main/ indexes.

If you'd rather start a thread to simply dewick the indexes while leaving the pages alone, taking it to Short-Term Projects would be fine.

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#4185: Mar 13th 2022 at 10:05:44 PM

The description for White Gangbangers reads like chairs, giving no in-story reason for "white gang member(s)" other than "proportionally, white neighborhoods will likely have them". Is that a tropeworthiness problem or a description problem?

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#4186: Mar 13th 2022 at 10:10:38 PM

The description seems to hint that it's a way of avoiding Unfortunate Implication, but it feels like the assumption that gangs will be black and/or Latino is the actual tropeworthy thing.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#4188: Mar 14th 2022 at 7:20:40 AM

How is Dedication a Trope while In Memoriam, a Sub-Trope, be Trivia? In Memoriam is as in the work as a Dedication is?
"I thank this person" vs "I thank this person who is connected to the production of the work, but they died".

Part of the problem is the lack of evidence for "connected to the work", and another is that the dedication usually indicates death as part of the dedication, by using words like "memory of" or "1953-2019". If I could get my other TRS threads cleaned up, I'd start one based on merging the two since I see so many wicks getting them mixed up and duplicated. I used to want to remove IM from trivia, but now I just want them merged.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#4189: Mar 14th 2022 at 8:29:32 AM

By the way, ~hawthorn, your Roguelike OP is enormously large. Consider moving some parts of it to Sandbox.Roguelike and Sandbox.Roguelite (if would also let you use folders for subsections and would be easier to edit in the future). In TRS we're looking for how the current examples are used and suggestions what to do with them, how the pages should look that is something that comes up later. Also the queue has turned into an index because the work examples are under the [index] wrapper.

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hawthorn Since: Jan, 2001
#4190: Mar 14th 2022 at 9:48:25 AM

Ah, thanks for that. I've moved the drafts to sandbox pages as suggested.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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We can be heroes, just for one day
#4192: Mar 14th 2022 at 4:54:09 PM

I am aware that I'm next in the queue, but there's not as much feedback in Trope Talk as I am hoping. Feel free to ping the ones next in line for the time being.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4193: Mar 14th 2022 at 6:10:51 PM

[up]I'll keep that in mind. If I'm the one who frees up the next slot, I might make the thread listed after yours myself since the OP's writer gave permission for others to use it, and then I'll ping them to the thread after it's posted.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4194: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:58:22 AM

A slot was freed up, so I made Azorius 24's Obligatory War Crime Scene thread since they were next in line and gave permission for someone else to make it.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4195: Mar 15th 2022 at 10:22:24 AM

I closed the Mondegreen thread because the definition-only page's wicks were cleaned, and because I learned from another mod that the sponsor of the two pending drafts is suspended from TLP, so I made Synchronicity's Butterfly Knife thread since she gave permission for others to make it. (I guess that's two free-to-use threads for the price of one.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 15th 2022 at 1:54:31 PM

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#4196: Mar 16th 2022 at 1:23:38 AM

Video Collage's thread is done, so paging ~nw09 since they're up next. I'll give them a while to respond because it's 3:22 AM where I live (I have a cold and that's messing with my sleep schedule); if they don't respond by 12 PM CDT and nobody else takes the slot, I'll page The Mayor of Simpleton, who's listed ater nw09.

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#4197: Mar 18th 2022 at 12:02:44 AM

Finally got around to writing my OP for Villainous Aromantic Asexual (it's at my personal sandbox if anyone wants to check, so just noting that I added myself to the queue.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#4198: Mar 18th 2022 at 6:01:01 AM

Personally, I'd note how Celibate Hero and Villainous Aromantic Asexual reference each other in their Playing With pages, because being a play on another trope makes ideas more tropeworthy?

Edited by Malady on Mar 18th 2022 at 6:01:18 AM

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#4199: Mar 18th 2022 at 12:17:53 PM

I think I'm ready to tackle TRS'es again, starting with Adjusting Your Glasses since I'll wrap the check up in a few hours.

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GrafVonTirol We can be heroes, just for one day from a state of boredom (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Standing outside, playing "In Your Eyes" on the boombox
We can be heroes, just for one day
#4200: Mar 19th 2022 at 9:28:20 PM

My attempt to make a discussion in Trope Talk unfortunately barely amounted to anything. I suppose I'm ready to bring Standard Snippet here as soon as a thread opens.


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