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Before making or posting in a thread, read the Trope Repairing Guidelines to see whether a thread you're considering making actually should be made, as well as what is and isn't allowed in an open thread.

This thread is a metathread for Trope Repair Shop discussion. Things like TRS policy, what is needed in a TRS opening post, questions about whether a certain topic is TRS-worthy and questions about why a thread wasn't opened go here.

Some guidelines for when/whether to use TRS:

  • If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
  • If you think there's something wrong with the trope that systematically attracts improper examples, start a discussion at Trope Talk. Use a Wick Check to see whether there's an issue present (and if there is, what the issue is). The following methods are two possible ways to do a wick check (though not necessarily the only ways):
    • You can go ahead with the Wick Check without a discussion if you know what you're looking for. While it's not mandatory, feel free to ask someone for help confirming that you got the issue and the numbers correct.
    • Consult the Wick Check Project thread to collect evidence if you need help.
  • Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.

For a more detailed introduction to this forum, click here.

For related projects, see Wick Cleaning Projects and the Wick Check Project.

For a list of wiki pages related to thread outcomes, see the following:

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 12th 2025 at 11:35:13 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#3051: Dec 6th 2021 at 11:27:58 PM

I forgot it was made fanspeak and not just redirected to Puppy Love.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#3052: Dec 6th 2021 at 11:28:58 PM

I had no idea it was fanspeak.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#3053: Dec 7th 2021 at 12:12:44 AM

If the discussion was that minimal, then there might be more of a case of bringing it back here.

Edit: I reread your post since I originally read it after getting out of bed, and yeah, now I'm more inclined to support an effort to bring it here.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 7th 2021 at 2:14:31 PM

I got a rock for Halloween.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#3054: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:11:25 AM

Actually, I don't think there is a good case for a new TRS thread on Toy Ship here. The procedural question is fine and dandy but it's not clear what kind of problem there is with the current state of the page that would justify a TRS. Such a thread would be prone towards pointlessly rearranging deck chairs, anyway.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
GrafVonTirol We can be heroes, just for one day from a state of boredom (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Standing outside, playing "In Your Eyes" on the boombox
We can be heroes, just for one day
#3055: Dec 7th 2021 at 5:36:33 AM

Some time we should tackle the Moh's Hardness pages (Rock, Lyrics, Science Fiction, Violence). These pages seem to quantify rather than act as legitimate narrative devices, and scores are given on work pages without any context as to what the scores mean (you'd have to click the page to see it). These all appear to be JFF and should be treated as such.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Dec 7th 2021 at 5:37:26 AM

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#3056: Dec 7th 2021 at 6:05:34 AM

[up]They're Sliding Scales in all but name, so I don't know if they're even supposed to be listed as tropes.

I got a rock for Halloween.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#3057: Dec 7th 2021 at 6:16:27 AM

Don't look like tropes imho.

Edited by Amonimus on Dec 7th 2021 at 5:16:49 PM

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
jandn2014 SMILE! from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
SMILE!
#3058: Dec 7th 2021 at 6:30:32 AM

They were never meant to be tropes. I think they’d be better off indexed under Just for Fun, since that’s pretty much their sole purpose.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#3059: Dec 7th 2021 at 8:57:56 AM

On the subject of Sliding Scales, the Gameplay and Story Integration redirect of Sliding Scale of Gameplay and Story Integration is frequently used as a trope in the vein of Gameplay and Story Segregation, to the point that the redirect has significantly more wicks than the main page, and apparently it used to be one at some point based on the Wayback Machine (I forgot which year I looked at).

As I said in the Tropes Needing TRS entry I added for Gameplay and Story Integration, turning it into the trope people are already using it as wouldn't take much work because the wicks would stay the same, and most of the work would involve the description and on-page examples.

Edit: Fixed a typo.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 7th 2021 at 1:03:17 PM

I got a rock for Halloween.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#3060: Dec 7th 2021 at 9:15:55 AM

I kinda forgot (or didn't notice) it's a redirect, unredirecting sounds like a good idea.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Malady (X-Troper)
#3061: Dec 7th 2021 at 9:31:17 AM

Yes! Split!

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
liminalreality Since: Dec, 2021
#3062: Dec 7th 2021 at 11:16:23 AM

I've been bothered by PietàPlagiarism for a while. I can't tell based on the description or examples if the Trope if meant to be "Holding a dead/unconscious person in a way that invokes religious iconography." or if it's just "Holding a dead/unconscious person."

And if it is the latter- is that really a narrative device/trope? It also doesn't help that the non-religious-icon examples involve anything from mourning the body to moving the body. What is this trope *about*?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3063: Dec 7th 2021 at 11:21:25 AM

The former. It's an Art Imitates Art subtrope, so the imitator does not need to have overt religious iconography; the tropeworthiness is in the reference.

Examples that are just the latter are lacking context. We have Died in Your Arms Tonight, Cradling Your Kill etc. for more general examples.

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 7th 2021 at 1:23:01 PM

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#3065: Dec 7th 2021 at 12:37:12 PM

[up]I think at least adding TRS Wick Cleaning would be a good idea since it's an Administrivia page and thus an official project; less sure about TRS Thread Tracker since it's a sandbox. If someone else doesn't do it, I'll probably at least add the former if I think of a good way to fit a sentence about it into the post. (I'm currently tired, so I don't want it to end up sounding clumsy.)

Edit: Went ahead and added the former, I was undecided on whether to put it on a new line or put the sentence on the same line as the link to Administrivia.Trope Repair Shop, but I ended up going with the former regardless.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 7th 2021 at 2:39:07 PM

I got a rock for Halloween.
liminalreality Since: Dec, 2021
#3066: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:42:14 PM

[up][up]So, examples that aren't clearly referencing The Pietà should probably be moved over to [Died in Your Arms Tonight] right? Cause right now we've got examples of carrying a wounded man *on a horse* which I struggle to imagine looking similar to The Pietà in any way. And if it is an [Art Imitates Art] trope then probably the Real Life examples should be taken off?

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#3067: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:55:06 PM

Unrelated to the previous discussion, but since I don't think anyone's brought it up, what do we do with the currently locked Actually Pretty Funny thread, which brought the number of threads to 51 despite the 50-thread cap? Do we have to wait for another thread to close before opening that one? I wasn't planning to open it until the thread count drops down to at least 50; I was just wondering what's up with that thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 7th 2021 at 3:56:08 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#3068: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:56:39 PM

I've seen 51 threads be open at once before, though if it matters I'm gonna try and get back to the grind tonight and work on getting Wake Up, Go to School, Save the World out of here, which would bring us back to 50 slots.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#3069: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:59:31 PM

I'll see if I can work on either Author Existence Failure or Weird Al Effect tomorrow; I already handled a small amount of both recently.

I got a rock for Halloween.
Walkinshadows Since: Jun, 2012
#3070: Dec 7th 2021 at 2:14:53 PM

I added Badass Beard, Badass Mustache and Badass Moustache to the wick cleaning page; I'm far too tired of trying to explain to people what the trope means when it's in the description and the laconic. There's only about 3,000 wicks left to clean (I know that sounds like a lot, but most of them are zero-context or don't fit the new definition, so they can just be removed).

Edited by Walkinshadows on Dec 7th 2021 at 5:20:59 AM

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#3071: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:46:20 PM

Lovecraft on Film is a list of film adaptations of Lovecraft works, while the bottom third looks like it can go on ReferencedBy.HP Lovecraft if they're not there already.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#3072: Dec 8th 2021 at 4:54:44 PM

Hrm. Reminds me of the issue we were talking about here. Which was never completely resolved. Now I'm wondering if those pages would have to be fixed in TRS.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#3073: Dec 8th 2021 at 8:12:38 PM

Author Existence Failure’s thread has been resolved so there’s a spot open.

Macron's notes
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#3074: Dec 8th 2021 at 8:41:31 PM

[up] Grabbed it for Moral Dissonance, thanks.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Dec 8th 2021 at 11:42:21 AM

Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
alnair20aug93 🍊orange fursona🧡 from 🐾Furrypines 🇵🇭 (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
🍊orange fursona🧡
#3075: Dec 8th 2021 at 11:08:24 PM

I'm told to go to here if Hartman Hips needs a TRS. I made A Wick Check beforehand to see if there's any misuse, though it needs a thorough check from you guys.

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