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This thread is a metathread for Trope Repair Shop discussion. Things like TRS policy, what is needed in a TRS opening post, questions about whether a certain topic is TRS-worthy and questions about why a thread wasn't opened go here.

Some guidelines for when/whether to use TRS:

  • If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
  • If you think there's something wrong with the trope that systematically attracts improper examples, start a discussion at Trope Talk. Use a Wick Check to see whether there's an issue present (and if there is, what the issue is), and post the results on TRS Queue and wait your turn if a problem is present. The following methods are two possible ways to do a wick check (though not necessarily the only ways):
    • You can go ahead with the Wick Check without a discussion if you know what you're looking for. While it's not mandatory, feel free to ask someone for help confirming that you got the issue and the numbers correct.
    • Consult the Wick Check Project thread to collect evidence if you need help.
  • If a wick check is too much for you, you can leave the issue at Tropes Needing TRS citing the discussion.
  • Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.

For a more detailed introduction to this forum, click here.

For related projects, see Wick Cleaning Projects and the Wick Check Project.

See Tropes Needing TRS for a list of trope candidates for TRS.

A (not mandatory, informal) queue for prospective TRS participants can be found at the TRS Queue.

For a list of wiki pages related to thread outcomes, see the following:

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 1st 2023 at 1:22:54 PM

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#276: Jun 2nd 2018 at 6:31:34 AM

Is it possible to revive a Morgued thread, so there's no clutter of thread names, when an issue is brought up regarding the same trope?

But I guess Thread Search will be revamped in 2.0 so it'll be easier to pick the thread you want, out of threads with the same name?

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#277: Jun 14th 2018 at 10:55:13 AM

Not sure why you'd want to revive a stale, dead discussion, but I doubt anyone wants to read the posts made by people no longer active or accountable for their posts. You can't ask for clarification, that is, when the troper is no longer around.

Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#278: Jun 14th 2018 at 1:26:00 PM

[up] - My TRS for Feminist Fantasy was morgued at its second post.

If I made another effort, it'd be three threads with the same name, confusing, no?

Better to just revive something that barely lived?

The older version seemed unresolved and was morgued by the New Years Purge.

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mahidevrans Theon is home. Since: Mar, 2018
Theon is home.
#279: Jun 15th 2018 at 2:36:53 AM

May I request this TRP thread for Zapruder Film be re-opened? I didn't want to make a duplicate one if one's already there.

Per ATT, majority consensus agreed it should be made into a Useful Notes page, but Septimus advised it go through the Repair Shop to make it suitable for that namespace (namely, to add examples describing its use or adaption in other works). Thanks.

WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#280: Jun 20th 2018 at 9:38:27 AM

[up][up] This TRS thread was trying to fix the trope but it kept getting prolonged (it was about two years old when it was closed) and the discussion, IIRC, didn't come to fixing the problem. I think that may have affected your thread not being opened. You may as well start a new thread with a strong OP.

Also, I don't think it would be "confusing" or something for a new thread to be made rather than trying to re-do a closed thread. In fact, I think it would be more confusing to bring the old one back. Just be sure not to spam TRS with the same trope. I imagine that would be seen as obsessive behavior of some sort, and I for one (not a mod, obviously) would see it as an annoyance for someone to continuously insist a trope has a problem without giving evidence in their OP.

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#281: Jun 20th 2018 at 9:46:04 AM

[up] - Makes sense. I meant confusing if you're searching for the thread, because "forum_search_titles.php" just sorts by thread location and name, so multiple threads about the same thing, in TRS, all look the same until you open the thread.

But, yeah, sorta a minor issue?

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longWriter Since: Apr, 2012
#282: Jun 27th 2018 at 6:39:11 AM

I like the new look of the site after the upgrade, and I'm loving the threads and pages that are listed on the front page as having recent activity, especially the TLP list.

But as much fun as it is to make a new trope page, there's a lot of work that needs to be done in TRS as well. Would it better advertise TRS and get more people to help if TRS were listed on the front page, either in its own category or grouped with another category?

naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#283: Jun 27th 2018 at 7:28:21 AM

It's visible on the sidebar. And I think highlighting it on the front page might be bad imaging, airing our dirty laundry so to speak.

I think the reasons the TRS doesn't get enough action is:

  • Cleanups require a lot of tedious work which often requires learning the minutia of how the wiki works.
  • People have fundamental disagreements about what is tropable, which for some reason comes out more here (and gets more heated) than on the TLP. This can cause threads to stall.
  • There have been discussions about this elsewhere, but unfortunately the requirements for getting a trope launched are both more clear-cut and more relaxed than for getting a page through the TRS.

One thing that could help would be if there were some kind of system to better reward people for doing wick cleanups. On the TLP, you post an example, it gets posted up, it's clearly visible and you feel rewarded for your contribution. Things like wick cleanups are much more invisible.

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#284: Jun 27th 2018 at 8:19:34 AM

Are there any plans for a WYSIWYG editing environment? It would make things much more user friendly.

Optimism is a duty.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#285: Jun 27th 2018 at 8:20:19 AM

There is a checkbox on the edit page for this. Not sure if it works like a preference or anything.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#286: Jun 27th 2018 at 10:23:37 AM

[up][up] I prefer regular plaintext editing, but I'll still have the option for that, just like on Wikipedia.

Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!
naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#287: Aug 14th 2018 at 1:32:16 PM

Is it ever possible to revive dead TRS threads? Under what circumstances?

Asking about Genre-Busting and Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly. Septimus Heap shut down this ATT for being a "stealth TRS", but the threads for both tropes are locked, and were morgued due to inactivity. Both the ATT and the thread for Genre Busting show that there is clearly confusion and misuse on Genre-Busting, though the thread didn't quite come to a consensus about what should be done.

Meanwhile, the thread for Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly came to a clear consensus to merge with Genre Mashup, but people never finished the wick cleanup.

I guess my question is, if these threads were killed off, are we never allowed to discuss these issues anywhere else on the site? And also, if I wanted to finish the job of merging Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly myself, am I allowed to? Or is that verboten since there isn't an active TRS on it anymore?

Edited by naturalironist on Aug 14th 2018 at 4:32:55 AM

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
GM_3826 (Not) A Game Master from Ylisse Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
(Not) A Game Master
#288: Aug 23rd 2018 at 9:30:09 AM

Oh, thank God I checked the forum before the clock ended.

It seems like everyone is in agreement about splitting Martial Arts and Crafts. Can we split it, or does something else need to be done?

Edit: I hollered to the mods to add a crowner to the page. Hopefully we can get a consensus.

Will this run for the full three days (as suggested on the page for crowners), or since the deadline is tomorrow, will it end then?

Edited by GM_3826 on Aug 23rd 2018 at 12:41:53 PM

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#289: Aug 27th 2018 at 3:36:01 AM

Is changing one word in a trope's title worthy of making a TRS thread or is it too small a detail?

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#290: Aug 27th 2018 at 7:12:13 AM

If the word is important to the clarity of the trope title, then yes.

Optimism is a duty.
GM_3826 (Not) A Game Master from Ylisse Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
(Not) A Game Master
#291: Aug 28th 2018 at 6:22:56 AM

Hey, so the crowner for Martial Arts and Crafts is still ongoing, but not too many people have voted. Could you check out my argument in the OP and vote? The link to the crowner is at the bottom of the page.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1521558318003004600&page=1#11

Mishmash Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#292: Sep 9th 2018 at 5:00:01 AM

This may not actually belong here, but can this site be made ad-free, please? They either keep interfering with the writing, or even make you go back one page.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#293: Sep 9th 2018 at 5:17:35 AM

Well, yeah, this does not belong here. And unless you can donate a very substantial sum of money, it can't be done.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#294: Sep 11th 2018 at 5:58:50 PM

For the record, the ad problems have their own thread.

And didn't we have a "donate $X to be ad-free for a while" option at some point? What ever happened to that?

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Drope Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#295: Oct 22nd 2018 at 2:18:30 PM

Is the title for Psychobilly (Genre) correct? I don't think we have parenthesis in titles...

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bitemytail from Arizona Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#296: Oct 22nd 2018 at 2:21:53 PM

[up] I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. It also isn't indexed.

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#297: Oct 22nd 2018 at 3:14:43 PM

Well, it's got capitalization issues, needing the Genre to be capitalized, and yeah, Genre is a weird thing to parenthesize, but parentheses by themselves are used, like Star Trek (2009).

But for disambiguation, not whatever that is.

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#298: Nov 3rd 2018 at 9:44:02 AM

Yeah it's just "X Genre" not "X (Genre)."

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#299: Nov 16th 2018 at 4:04:56 PM

Seeing that Adaptational Context Change is discussed here, is TRS now the go-to place for Trivia related requests? Since crowners are broken (and apparently cannot be repaired), there are a lot of related issue piling up on the the trivia crowner thread. E.g. I would like to see Selling the Show turned into trivia. Should I just open a thread?

WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#300: Nov 21st 2018 at 9:04:09 AM

Well, TRS is for specific issues for specific tropes, and what you're talking about is a general issue with non-tropes. IDK, it just seems like a projects thread is better suited for discussing whether something is trivia or not.

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