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Dracoblade Since: May, 2009
#1126: Jan 31st 2024 at 12:26:47 PM

[up] It is a good name, yes. And being made by the thing that killed the original Godzilla gives him a built-in level of menace. Shame he hasn't appeared more often, or he might be up there with Ghidorah as one of Godzilla's greatest foes.

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#1127: Jan 31st 2024 at 12:35:26 PM

I have this theory that I don't think is actually borne out by evidence but whatever.

But I feel like a lot of heroes have a "joker" and a "bane". One who's famous for being an archrival in general and another who's famous for like, one particular story or moment. Everyone knows Bane for the time he broke the Bat. Everyone knows Doomsday for the time he killed Superman.

If Ghidorah is Godzilla's joker then Destroyah is Godzilla's Bane. Everyone knows him for being the monster from the movie where Godzilla died.

Edited by GNinja on Jan 31st 2024 at 8:35:46 PM

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#1128: Jan 31st 2024 at 12:44:03 PM

Meanwhile the original 1966 Ultraman out here has Zetton as both his Joker and Bane (mostly because Zetton returns often even if he suffers from some big Villain Decay in some installments) with the Baltans sharing the "Joker" role sometimes.

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#1129: Jan 31st 2024 at 5:26:10 PM

I hope the Monsterverse eventually has Destoroyah as a villain, it'd be sick to see what they can do with that concept with CGI.

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#1130: Jan 31st 2024 at 6:27:39 PM

The Gyaos end up being the "Bane" to Gamera too in at least one continuity. Gamera the Brave starts off with the original Gamera sacrificing himself to destroy a swarm of Gyaos.

What really fuels the Godzilla vs. Ghidorah Arch-Enemy relationship is their points of origin. Godzilla is a monster, but he's established as a monster of Earth. He's our monster, one that in many continuities is a direct result of human actions. Ghidorah by contrast is an utterly alien horror from beyond. It has no connection to Earth and will destroy it all if left unchecked just because it can. This characterization would be shared by other alien kaiju in the franchise.

Edited by M84 on Jan 31st 2024 at 10:30:51 PM

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#1131: Jan 31st 2024 at 7:08:11 PM

[up][up] Probably put in in total darkness and constantly cut to boring humans reacting to it.

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#1132: Jan 31st 2024 at 7:13:34 PM

You're a few movies late with that complaint—the darkness thing was by far at its worst in 2014, Skull Island didn't really do it at all, KotM kind of did it but I don't recall any of it being particularly hard to follow as a result, and they've pretty much moved past it by the time of GvK.

Edited by Chortleous on Jan 31st 2024 at 9:24:05 AM

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#1133: Jan 31st 2024 at 7:18:26 PM

Even with the 2014 Godzilla, the darkness complaints are partly because the home media release was fucking ass and made the scenes even darker than they were in the theatrical release.

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#1134: Jan 31st 2024 at 7:23:23 PM

And let's not pretend the Toho movies weren't 70% boring humans for a long time (name anyone who isn't Dr. Serizawa, Emiko or Hideo), so you kind of expect it going in. Franchise Original Sin and all, not that I'm necessarily defending it.

Edited by Chortleous on Jan 31st 2024 at 9:52:27 AM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1135: Jan 31st 2024 at 7:57:04 PM

(name anyone who isn't Dr. Serizawa, Emiko or Hideo)

Dr. Yamane, Kobayashi, Mr. Tako, Astronauts Glenn and Fuji, Tetsuo, Zenichiro "Snapping Turtle" Fukuda, Dr. Mafune, Katsura Mafune, and uh...actually yeah, that's about it from the Showa series.

Honestly I've taken to just referring to a good chunk of the human cast by their actors, cuz they get reused all the time lmao. Akihiko Hirata shows up in a movie and I'm just like "Damn it Serizawa, the hell are you doing THIS time?" tongue

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#1137: Jan 31st 2024 at 8:39:59 PM

I like the humans in the Monsterverse movies. I also like the humans in the classic movies, and I think it's really silly when people complain about too many humans in the Monsterverse movies when the classic movies have just as much human screentime.

I do hope the Monsterverse humans eventually include mutants and aliens and superpowers and shit. Those were fun as hell.

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#1138: Jan 31st 2024 at 8:41:32 PM

My standards for humans got kind of raised after Minus One, like no offense but none of the human characters in the Monsterverse have been as compelling as the cast of Minus One, the ones from Skull Island and others like Joe Brody have kinda gotten close but they either didn't show up too much or got killed off way too quickly

Edited by VengefulBale on Jan 31st 2024 at 10:42:46 AM

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#1139: Feb 1st 2024 at 3:03:14 AM

I think Final Wars did it best. Okay, we have to have humans... but what if instead of being the boring glue connecting the monster scenes, they're over the top anime superheroes?

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#1140: Feb 1st 2024 at 3:57:11 AM

Godzilla has been spotted in somewhere close to a sushi shack that had risen in popularity...well, good luck, Dave!

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#1141: Feb 1st 2024 at 5:48:21 AM

[up] The funniest possible crossover since Bambi.

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#1142: Feb 1st 2024 at 6:09:03 AM

I've been watching some of the heisei era movies and I'm honestly dissapointed by the amount of monster action in some of them. Like, the way people complain about the monsterverse movies, I was expecting there to be so much more on average.

I still don't like how biollante only has two short scenes in Godzilla vs Biollante.

I think Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2 has been my favourite so far. It's the closest I've seen to an honest to god Grey-and-Grey Morality Godzilla movie. Where every monster (Godzilla, Mechagodzilla, and Rodan) has it's own reasonable motive and no one really feels like the villain.

Edited by GNinja on Feb 1st 2024 at 2:10:08 PM

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#1143: Feb 1st 2024 at 8:46:36 AM

It is known that somewhere in the Heisei era Godzilla stopped punching, slamming and tail-whipping his opponents and just spammed his atomic breath. It was a dark time.

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#1144: Feb 1st 2024 at 7:21:03 PM

And so my watchthrough has reached The War of the Gargantuas, a film considered to be one of Toho's best kaiju movies. I've gotta say...I think it's weaker than Frankenstein vs. Baragon?

In the previous film, I initially think a lot of the human cast, but my opinion on that has changed. The human cast in "Gargantuas" are a lot more limp compared to the cast in "Frankenstein", the latter have a little bit of charm and a bit of an emotional tie to ol' Franky that isn't felt as strongly here. Sure, we see all the stuff with Sanda being raised by humans and junk, but it's missing all the buildup and development Frankenstein gets in his movie. There's a lot of padding in the first third of the movie too, it just drags and spins the wheels during the military attack in the mountains until Sanda finally shows up to rescue Gaira.

And then there's Russ Tamblyn. From what I've read, Tamblyn was a pain in the ass to work with and continuously acted disrespectful to Ishiro Honda by refusing to do his lines as written and having zero respect for the film he was making. A few people involved with the movie called him an asshole...including producer Saperstein, who brought Tamblyn into the movie in the first place. It's incredibly obvious that Tamblyn doesn't want to be in this movie, his acting is so bored and unemotive, and his moments where he's trying to play suave come off creepy and half-assed. The Japanese dubbing for his lines is more emotive than him. This really makes me miss Nick Adams. From everything I've read, Adams was well-received by his co-stars and the crew, and it's clear he was determined to give a good performance. He does come off a little like he's overacting in some scenes, but I can't deny the man cared a lot about doing a good job. Tamblyn just comes off like he's there for a paycheck and a vacation.

But don't get me wrong, there's a LOT of good here. Tsuburaya's effects work is conducted with bigger models and smaller monsters, so we get some moments that feel pretty unique from the usual Toho kaiju films. The model work at Haneda Airport and the final fight are downright superb. Then there's the kaiju themselves. While the film plays fuzzy with their relationship with Frankenstein, Sanda and Gaira are unique in being pretty human-looking and having strong personalities that come off as more than just mindless monsters. Honda was really mixed about depicting kaiju with human personalities, but this feels different than the goofiness of some of the Godzilla movies that he openly disliked. Sanda and Gaira feel kind of human, except one is a gentle giant and the other is a vicious brute. Yu Sekida and Haruo Nakajima do a great job portraying their body language and making their fights have a degree of emotion that almost every previous kaiju movie has lacked. This isn't just kaiju thrills, this is brother against brother (of sorts). This is the most famous part of the movie to many, and it's definitely one of its strong points. It's also a strong point that the military kinda doesn't give a shit about being lenient on Sanda. As far as they care, fuck both Gargantuas and napalm 'em.

So yeah, with all its messiness (dragging scenes, middling human cast, abrupt ending), I'd still give it a 7/10. I don't think it lives up to the hype, but it's still pretty good when it's firing on all cylinders. And y'know what? I like the little song number partway through the movie. Y'all know the one. Devo did a cover of it lol.

Edited by Diana1969 on Feb 1st 2024 at 9:21:50 AM

Dracoblade Since: May, 2009
#1145: Feb 2nd 2024 at 9:58:52 PM

...Sorry, no, I never heard of the music number before. Gonna have to look it up.

Different note, but it's easy to forget just how many giant monster films Toho made, as the ones that weren't folded into the Godzilla-verse are mostly just ignored.

Edited by Dracoblade on Feb 2nd 2024 at 9:59:30 AM

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#1146: Feb 5th 2024 at 7:41:22 AM

So, I need some help.

What's the Signature Scene from Godzilla Minus One?

The YMMV page listed four separate scenes, so I pulled it to Discussion but I figured this would probably be the best place to ask people what they think the Signature Scene is. As a reminder, Signature Scene is "That one scene that everyone remembers from a movie or other media. When people think of the work, this is the one scene that they immediately think of, and may be the only reason to remember it at all. If the work is referenced in popular culture, it will reference this scene. Cover illustrations will often depict this scene. Any parodies will also center on this scene specifically."

So what do you think the one scene that sticks in the collective hivemind from the movie?

Personally, I think it's the Ginza Atomic Breath Scene. As I said in the Discussion page, it's the most pivotal scene in the movie, it's a new incarnation of Godzilla's classic thing, and everything about it is pretty iconic and well known. I think the average person, if they know about the movie, knows about "that time Godzilla nuked Japan."

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#1147: Feb 6th 2024 at 11:09:40 AM

Honestly the boat chase sequence is pretty damn iconic to me. It's what I remember the most since it is so visually striking. Watching Godzilla chase that poor little boat. The inner Jaws enthusiast just turned on.

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#1148: Feb 6th 2024 at 11:24:50 AM

Most of the fanart and/or memes are about that boat chase too.

Helps that it was in the trailers. wink

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#1149: Feb 6th 2024 at 2:38:39 PM

There is a question I can't help but ask myself.

The original film in how many continuities is present?

That is, until 2004, almost all of the Japanese Godzilla films shared continuity with the original, even if they did not share continuity with each other. (Something like Halloween, and Texas Massacre)

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#1150: Feb 6th 2024 at 4:43:26 PM

[up] More or less that's how it goes, yeah. Starting from 2014, all theatrical movies about Godzilla at most have the 1954 movie's events be in Broad Strokes that nonetheless don't mean the whole thing is the starting point. Some like Shin and Minus One even outright disregard anything happening in 1954 thus far

Edited by VengefulBale on Feb 6th 2024 at 6:43:32 AM

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