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This page is a mess. First, we've got the over-long description that doesn't really make it clear what it's about, full of unorthodox formatting, and an inexplicable "Please Add Examples!" at the end.
The laconic just confuses things further, with it being "In Balance Between Good and Evil stories, people confuse Good with Order." This and some examples are more along the lines of a "Utopia Is Boring" trope
We've got at least three very distinct tropes here: "A character thinks good is boring or uncool," "Audiences find good characters bland," and "Conflict is necessary for a plot (AKA Utopia is boring)."
Examples are split between them, both on the page and in wicks. The Comic Books section, for example, seems to be almost entirely "Good characters are bland" (though half the examples don't even get that far, and just say they're good characters."
At the very least, we need a cleanup and focusing of the description. There's no way it needs to be this long and cover this much. If we can't decide what the description should be, we may want to turn it into a disambig for the two tropes and one Audience Reaction I mentioned above might be wise.
Poking this up for responses.
I think Utopia Is Boring is a distinct trope from Good Is Boring.
The latter could be either "A good person/character is bland" or "Being good is boring".
For "A good character is bland" I don't think we need to separate the audience reaction from in-universe use as separate tropes - we could make the trope YMMV and then list in-universe examples in the usual way.
"Being good is boring" is not so much about outwards appearances but about that it is hard to stay to the narrow path - "I can't do anything fun since I'm trying to be good!", so this should probably be a separate trope. Both these tropes can of course apply to the same character (she has to abstain from her usual idea of fun activities to make a favourable impression, at the same time worrying that her old friends will find her awfully dull now that she's being good).
The other trope, Utopia Is Boring seems like a subtrope of "an interesting story needs conflict", because a world without conflict doesn't have to be a utopia; it could also be a really hopeless dystopia where there's no conflict because everybody has given up.
I'm not sure this page is salvageable. All three of the definitions either seem to be duplicates or just not tapeworthy.
"Bad guy does bad things because good is boring" is It Amused Me and/or For the Evulz.
"Good guy characters are bland and uninteresting" is better covered by specific personality tropes like The Cape or The Paragon.
"Stories can't happen without a conflict between good and evil" is just flat out wrong. See Comedy, Romance, Romantic Comedy, Slice of Life, etc.
So what's left for this page to be about?
You know, that's a very good idea. Cut what we know is bad and see if there is a trope left.
I like that idea as well.
I honestly thought this trope was sort of the flip version of Evil Is Cool, but I suppose that sort of definition would attract a lot of complaining.
The only thing I could think of this being used for is in a video game, where you have the option to be good or evil, and the good side is well, boring. Most likely YMMV at this point though.
Not really, many times good has additional actions required, longer paths, costs more, and such. Evil takes shortcuts at the expense of others.
What about someone like Ned Flanders from The Simpsons? In one episode, he attributes his incredible good health to his pious lifestyle, saying he avoids "all the major urges". Cue all the other characters feeling sorry for Ned (and eventually Ned feeling sorry for himself) because a life without sin and irresponsibility is treated as inherently dull and bland.
Or there's Sluggy Freelance, which has an Alternate Dimension where everyone is nice and friendly and would never dream of hurting anyone, but they also have no alcohol or pornography, eat nothing but salt-, sugar, and meat-free foods, and the only telvision channels they get are PBS and the Disney Channel. Because of this, the main characters refer to this dimension as "The Dimension of Lame".
So it seems like Good Is Boring is definitely a thing. It's just the "good" referred to by the trope isn't stuff like giving to charity or standing up to injustice; it's stuff like eating all your vegetables, never using profanity, flossing after every meal, and not having sex until your wedding night.
Examples to keep when we cut out the YMMV shit:
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There seems to be an actual trope here underneath all the mess, and one that's actually rather fitting to the name. Characters In-Universe find the idea of being good boring.
edited 31st Aug '15 10:04:39 PM by shimaspawn
So it looks like making this trope In-Universe would work then?
edited 1st Sep '15 4:04:41 PM by ObsidianFire
Native Jovian said above that he thinks that's already covered under It Amused Me and/or For the Evulz, though. Is there an argument against that?
Most of those examples don't have the characters do anything evil or things that amuse them. They just complain that what is happening now is boring. The characters are protesting that Good Is Boring, but they aren't really doing anything to change things for the lulz or doing things because they're evil instead. They're just complaining about Good.
edited 1st Sep '15 5:44:03 PM by shimaspawn
It seems to me that this is a commentary about the situation by the characters. It's rather interesting that inversions exist of this in-universe as well.
The Cape and The Paragon are both character tropes. It Amused Me and For the Evulz are both reasons villains give for their actions.
Yeah, this isn't an excuse that characters give so much as a commentary they give that shows their view of the world. Often times they don't want things to be amusing all the time or evil all the time, but the prospect of being good constantly seems mind numbing to them.
At least the Ned Flanders example is clearly more Boring Is Good than Good Is Boring.
Does the trope hinge on the idea that everything interesting is in someone's opinion evil or sinful?
Nope. That doesn't seem to be mentioned in any of the examples.
Looks like the call for making this In-Universe is pretty clear. Single-prop crowner?
I'll wait a few more days for responses before going ahead with that crowner.
If you make it, they will vote.
So is this trope going to be renovated to be about characters thinking that good is boring, or the setting itself presenting good as boring?
Or is it both? Both are present when you cut out the YMMV examples so it might be a good distinction to make.
There is no objective way to observe "good is boring" from the setting; that's YMMV.
seems unanimous. start the white washing
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How well does it match the trope?